I dont see how god explains how there is life ?

[the cac mamba]

this is true. its beyond our understanding and probably always will be

but yet people place value on such an unfathomable being 'telling' us to not eat certain types of meat and steal from people. shyt is embarassing

 

[bigesco]

contradiction

If God knows what i will do for a fact then i have no free will and everything is predetermined. If my moves are already written then how do i have free will? I am just acting out part in a very elaborate play.

God knows what u will decide to do with your freewill , but at the instant before you exercise your freewill , you still have freewill. You can choose to go out tonight or stay in , god knows what will happen eventually, but the decision is yours.

 

[Bud Bundy]

God knows what u will decide to do with your freewill , but at the instant before you exercise your freewill , you still have freewill. You can choose to go out tonight or stay in , god knows what will happen eventually, but the decision is yours.

yet again you prove yourself wrong in your sentence with this contradiction. If god knows what i am going to do how is the decision ever mine? either god knows or does not know you can't have it both ways.

 

[mbewane]

Your problem here is that your trying to put limits on God. Your trying to give him a beginning. There is no time and no start to anything. God doesn't start, he just is. Even the word God can't define God.

BTW:I'm not arguing from a christian pov

How doesn't it make sense. Time doesn't exist. The universe never began and it never ends. You think the world is linear but it's always just been rotations around the Sun and Earth going through geographical shifts while humans grow by building ideas off the humans before. Time is non existent. When did the universe start?

God is every contradiction and is no contradiction, he is everything.

God can see in the future and knows what you will decide with your freewill. Basically god knows what u will do but that doesnt mean before u do it you didnt have freewill.

God knows what u will decide to do with your freewill , but at the instant before you exercise your freewill , you still have freewill. You can choose to go out tonight or stay in , god knows what will happen eventually, but the decision is yours.

 

[Bud Bundy]

What I am trying to get at is what the thread starter is talking about.

If God exists and we have free will then either God does not care who or what we worship because or purpose is not to worship. Or life is something outside of even the all creator. To claim God knows all but then grants us free will is nonsense.

 

[Pool_Shark]

Your quoting two different posters. I don't get it. I'm saying one thing and he's saying what he's saying. What do you disagree with that I posted? Why?

Edit: You think time is real?

 

[Pool_Shark]

What I am trying to get at is what the thread starter is talking about.

If God exists and we have free will then either God does not care who or what we worship because or purpose is not to worship. Or life is something outside of even the all creator. To claim God knows all but then grants us free will is nonsense.

I agree with this.

 

[FTBS]

Going to preface this with that I believe evolution is true.

Isnt the never ending question where did we come from and how did we get here. We couldnt have just come from thin air ? A lot of people say god created us. Ok but then where did he come from did HE just appear or did some other god create HIM ? It just doesnt make any sense and doesn't answer anything. Its just back where you started with the question.

Every explanation for the beginning of life has unanswered questions or paradoxes. With evolution for example, how does a random ass explosion produce what eventually becomes people and animals and everything else on Earth? It really comes down to what a person chooses to believe. I always find it humorous how people can be so dismissive of one line of thinking when we are all really just guessing and there is no way to truly verify anything.

yeah if god created us and then itself had a creator then where does it end and who do you worship.

If god created us with freewill then why must we worship it to have a good afterlife?

Because he's in control of the afterlife therefore we must play by his rules if we want things to go our way however we can choose not to. A good analogy would be your job. You have free will to do whatever you wanna do at your job. However if you don't do what you boss wants you to do the result probably won't be to favorable for you.

If god has no limits and no end that means god knows all that will happen. If god knows all that means there is no free will. This is in contradiction of many things.

That is not a contradiction. Knowing what will happen doesn't equal controlling what happens. It's just like if you sit back and watch someone do something and you know exactly how it's gonna end up does that mean that person didn't have free will to do what they did?

 

[mbewane]

Your quoting two different posters. I don't get it. I'm saying one thing and he's saying what he's saying. What do you disagree with that I posted? Why?

Edit: You think time is real?

I was quoting both of you because neither makes any sense to me. It's what often happens when one tries to have a discussion about religion, sooner or later the answer is a variation of "that's just how it is" (like your "God doesn't start, he just is" and "Time doesn't exist" and "God is every contradiction and is no contradiction, he is everything"). Those are just, for me, cop-out answers, that don't bring anything to the discussion, that religous persons use because, well, they don't have an answer except "it's God's will" or "it's in the Bible".

You're asking if I think time is real? check your watch and tell me

 

[Pool_Shark]

I was quoting both of you because neither makes any sense to me. It's what often happens when one tries to have a discussion about religion, sooner or later the answer is a variation of "that's just how it is" (like your "God doesn't start, he just is" and "Time doesn't exist" and "God is every contradiction and is no contradiction, he is everything"). Those are just, for me, cop-out answers, that don't bring anything to the discussion, that religous persons use because, well, they don't have an answer except "it's God's will" or "it's in the Bible".

You're asking if I think time is real? check your watch and tell me

I thought we were talking about God not religion

 

[mbewane]

I thought we were talking about God not religion

Side-stepping I see

 

[bigesco]

yet again you prove yourself wrong in your sentence with this contradiction. If god knows what i am going to do how is the decision ever mine? either god knows or does not know you can't have it both ways.

He doesnt decide for you , you decide. He has foresight into the future.

 

[Bud Bundy]

Because he's in control of the afterlife therefore we must play by his rules if we want things to go our way however we can choose not to. A good analogy would be your job. You have free will to do whatever you wanna do at your job. However if you don't do what you boss wants you to do the result probably won't be to favorable for you.

That job analogy does not apply to God. If god controls the afterlife and had a basic set of rules to get in then why does what we do in this world have consequences in the next? What is the connection besides that God created them? If god has control over life and death why not create harmony in the transition by telling everyone what to do and not just a select few to spread the word? If this god can not control how i think or act then how is it worthy of the title of God as we have described it. Either this god is just another would be ruler or not god at all.

That is not a contradiction. Knowing what will happen doesn't equal controlling what happens. It's just like if you sit back and watch someone do something and you know exactly how it's gonna end up does that mean that person didn't have free will to do what they did?

Yes it is because God knows what will happen since it came before us and created us. If this god had a hand in creating us then it can interact with our world. If this being can only watch and not interact then it is not god as you are not if you watch a bad situation happen.

 

[Pool_Shark]

Side-stepping I see

If it helps I don't subscribe to religion or the bible. I'm not saying I don't like the bible but some of things in it and surrounding it don't sit well with me.

My interpretation of God is everything that exist is God.

 

[Bud Bundy]

He doesnt decide for you , you decide. He has foresight into the future.

foresight does not equal god

either god knows or does not. If god can only make a good guess then that is not god.

If god knows then free will does not exist.