How will Joe Biden GOVERN? General Biden Administration F**kery Thread

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@FAH1223 will democrats have to pass Biden's infrastructure bill through reconciliation? Or is the bill DOA?
 

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Maybe I am descending into Q'anon level multi-dimensional chess here but, the filibuster can only be undone by being attached to the hip of some generic legislation popular enough to showcase how much more of an obstruction it is than a tool of bi-partisanship. Biden's infrastructure plan could be that legislation because it can't be dismissed as a "progressive/socialist wishlist", infrastructure is of interest to all sides, and it contains provisions that address most of the common voting issues in employment, personal finance, and the economy. Not to mention how that ties into climate change as well as pushing the country to a new era or path forward because there is a lot we want to forget.

Infrastructure week has been the running joke for a while now but I think it will ultimately be the ammo used to get rid of the filibuster.
 

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@FAH1223 will democrats have to pass Biden's infrastructure bill through reconciliation? Or is the bill DOA?

The package as is will have to be reconciliation cause they aren’t gonna get 10 Republicans...

Maybe they could get 10 if they wanted $1 trillion on roads and bridges...
 

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Too many unpopular provisions that give excuses to people to vote no. The motivation for infrastructure seems to be at least somewhat manufactured

The package as is will have to be reconciliation cause they aren’t gonna get 10 Republicans...

Maybe they could get 10 if they wanted $1 trillion on roads and bridges...

You're both overestimating Republicans to be honest.

They would vote against it regardless of what was in it simply because they don't want Biden to get a W.
 

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You're both overestimating Republicans to be honest.

They would vote against it regardless of what was in it simply because they don't want Biden to get a W.
Exactly. It's not in their political interest to support anything good. It could be a law that provides every American with the cure for cancer and they would still vote against it.
 

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I dont see any way Biden gets 60 votes and they shouldn't try to do this via reconciliation. Don't see them killing the filibuster for this either. Looks like this is a set up for Biden's first big L.
The package as is will have to be reconciliation cause they aren’t gonna get 10 Republicans...

Maybe they could get 10 if they wanted $1 trillion on roads and bridges...
You're both overestimating Republicans to be honest.

They would vote against it regardless of what was in it simply because they don't want Biden to get a W.
Exactly. It's not in their political interest to support anything good. It could be a law that provides every American with the cure for cancer and they would still vote against it.
this is why i switch between cnn and fox :skip:

every republican is already saying "yeah we'd go to a trillion, because everyone likes roads and bridges". their backs are already against the wall, they know that they cant just not come to the table at all. the dems would fukkin kill them

but yeah, theyre not gonna go much more than a trillion. so the dems can be reasonable, and take that W with biden the one signing it, or shoot for this pie in the sky bullshyt bill with 2-5 trillion and just fail

even larry kudlow was saying make a trillion dollar deal. thats a lock. but repubs can weasel out of 2+ trillion by just calling it a green new deal :dead:

a reasonable trillion dollar bill isnt an option to deny
 

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this is why i switch between cnn and fox :skip:

every republican is already saying "yeah we'd go to a trillion, because everyone likes roads and bridges". their backs are already against the wall, they know that they cant just not come to the table at all. the dems would fukkin kill them

but yeah, theyre not gonna go much more than a trillion. so the dems can be reasonable, and take that W with biden the one signing it, or shoot for this pie in the sky bullshyt bill with 2-5 trillion and just fail

even larry kudlow was saying make a trillion dollar deal. thats a lock. but repubs can weasel out of 2+ trillion by just calling it a green new deal :dead:

a reasonable trillion dollar bill isnt an option to deny

They would make up some excuse to vote against it regardless of what anyone on FOX News claims.

No Republican politician wants to be on record as voting for a Dem bill. That's just how politics is in 2021. :yeshrug:
 

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Biden might just understand public opinion better than his critics
Jennifer Rubin
4-5 minutes
News pundits have been predicting a reckoning for President Biden: He’s risking his agenda with a big tax plan! Paying for infrastructure is politically perilous!

Maybe not. The latest Morning Consult/Politico poll finds that “voters broadly support this expanded notion of infrastructure, with measures like increasing housing options for low-income families garnering the support of 70 percent of registered voters, including 87 percent of Democrats and 53 percent of Republicans.”

Gosh, it’s just like Biden’s covid-19 stimulus package. Republicans in Congress are dead-set against it, but a lot of their own voters think it is a fine idea.

Other progressive priorities get varying levels of support. According to the poll, 63 percent of respondents support using money for climate change research, while 60 percent support free community college. Expanding the country’s electric vehicle charging network gets 59 percent.

The kicker: The bill is more popular with the tax hikes than without them. “57% of voters say they’d be more likely to support Biden’s infrastructure plan if it were funded by tax increases on those making over $400,000,” the poll found. “47% of voters say they’d be more likely to support the $3 trillion proposal if it were funded by increases to the corporate tax rate.” Only 27 percent support infrastructure without tax hikes, which appears to be the GOP’s stance. A plurality of Republican voters (42 percent) — well short of a majority — favor that approach. (Remember the good old days when Republicans cared about debt?) Among independents, 52 percent support the plan with tax hikes while only 26 percent support an infrastructure bill without them.

The media, it seems, are caught in a Republican framing of policy that does not match reality. There is not a hue and cry over a mammoth infrastructure bill. To the contrary, it is super popular. And Republicans might want to stop harping on the tax increases: Those make the bill even more popular.

In a sign of confidence, Biden said in his rollout speech, “The American Jobs Plan is a once-in-a-generation investment in America unlike anything we have seen or done since we built the Interstate Highway System and won the Space Race decades ago.” In other words, its size is a feature not a bug. We invest now because of huge returns down the road.

Republicans’ 2017 bet on huge tax cuts for richer Americans and for corporations not only failed to pay for themselves; there is little evidence they had any significant, long-lasting benefit for the economy. If you are going to bet on future returns, why not get bridges, roads, internet and other tangible benefits?

I have previously suggested that the pandemic and recession, much like the Great Depression, may have shifted the country’s politics. Voters want more government. They are not shy about saying who should pay for it. (Perhaps the hundreds of billions of stimulus dollars handed out to corporations left many voters thinking corporations should start paying more.) If that is so, Biden is not taking a big risk; he is playing it safe. It may be Republicans who are playing with fire in opposing popular legislation, just as they did on the relief plan. (The shift in opinion on more activist government may explain why Biden gets a 57/39 percent favorable/unfavorable rating, while Republicans in Congress get a dreadful 36/55 favorable/unfavorable rating.)

And if Republicans are banking on Biden’s immigration policies to carry them to victory, they might want to reconsider. While 35 percent of voters care about issues such as jobs, the economy, taxes and spending, only 15 percent care about security issues, of which immigration is only one item.

We will see how other polls register (the Associated Press-NORC poll gives Biden a 61 percent approval rating, and 73 percent approval for his handling of the pandemic), and how voters react when they learn more about the plan. However, it is a good bet to say that Biden’s vision is, once again, far more popular than that of Republicans. No wonder the GOP is forever reverting to inane cultural memes.

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