Breaking News: Joe Biden not to seek re-election. Will address nation this week. Biden has endorsed Kamala Harris

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primary support is different than general electoral support.

the vast majority of Dems will vote for anyone with a pulse on the ticket, the candidate who can differentiate themselves will pick up additional support.

there aren't any hyper-charismatic candidates like Obama anywhere in the country - but Harris is normal enough to make shyt happen.

The problem is that elections are won on the margins. There are enough votes in the difference between what "vast majority" means for Harris vs Biden or some other candidates, to swing the election to trump.
 

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Going to be crazy when the GOP in some of the battleground states try and prevent the Dems from replacing Biden on the ballot. Wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't get put on the fast track to the supreme Court.
What’s the actual outcome of this?

They want to delay the election so Dems have to rerun the primary votes?

Biden would be president even longer than he should or Speaker of the House becomes president which would make November even more important
 

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primary support is different than general electoral support.

the vast majority of Dems will vote for anyone with a pulse on the ticket, the candidate who can differentiate themselves will pick up additional support.

there aren't any hyper-charismatic candidates like Obama anywhere in the country - but Harris is normal enough to make shyt happen.
I mean, that’s the point I’ve been making. This isn’t about appeasing black voters, kamala has to appeal to white working class and never trumpers
 

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I mean, that’s the point I’ve been making. This isn’t about appeasing black voters, kamala has to appeal to white working class and never trumpers
i don't think she's going to appeal to any white working class voters that already weren't going to vote for Joe, same for the Never Trumpers.

the cult of personality of joe biden doesn't exist for those demographics and never did - votes are pretty locked in here, all Harris has to do is restore confidence from the marginal voters worried about Biden's decline.

there's also a good chance that she'll soften the U.S. line on Palestine and pick up some extra votes
 

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The problem is that elections are won on the margins. There are enough votes in the difference between what "vast majority" means for Harris vs Biden or some other candidates, to swing the election to trump.
in this case, the margins aren't thick enough for a coherent Harris, who runs a moderately good campaign, to lose to Trump.

he's historically unpopular, and all she has to do is modify a few things, and pick a few additional popular positions
 

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i don't think she's going to appeal to any white working class voters that already weren't going to vote for Joe, same for the Never Trumpers.

the cult of personality of joe biden doesn't exist for those demographics and never did - votes are pretty locked in here, all Harris has to do is restore confidence from the marginal voters worried about Biden's decline.

there's also a good chance that she'll soften the U.S. line on Palestine and pick up some extra votes
What are you talking about? He did well with them in 2020 and his blue collar credentials is what played well with them. Her being a woman of color does not play well…simple
 

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What are you talking about? He did well with them in 2020 and his blue collar credentials is what played well with them. Her being a woman of color does not play well…simple
those voters being tied to biden as opposed to "anyone but trump."

I don't think there's a scintilla of data to support the idea that Biden's "blue-collar credentials" played any role in his support - he was 1) not Trump; 2) had massive name recognition; 3) was from a swing state; 4) promised normalcy -

I do agree that her being a WoC will harm her, but the harm is a bit smaller because the ideological bifurcation has sent almost all of those people to the Republican or out of the political process entirely
 

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those voters being tied to biden as opposed to "anyone but trump."

I don't think there's a scintilla of data to support the idea that Biden's "blue-collar credentials" played any role in his support - he was 1) not Trump; 2) had massive name recognition; 3) was from a swing state; 4) promised normalcy -

I do agree that her being a WoC will harm her, but the harm is a bit smaller because the ideological bifurcation has sent almost all of those people to the Republican or out of the political process entirely
These two are literally part of his blue collar appeal - Scranton Joe who takes the train, he’s one of you and knows why you deflected to trump/didn’t vote Hilary, but come on home now

Not all of them were anyone but trump, many of them were people who fell for the populist, america first l rhetoric of trump
 

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I told my family members back in March that Trump was coming back for a 2nd term. They called me a madman :yeshrug:

They also called me a madman when I bet $$$ on Trump winning the 2016 election :manny:

That man Trump should not be making it this far if he doesn’t have an actual shot at winning
He's not going to win now that Bidens out imo

And I am going to bet money on it online
 

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Can anyone show me those areas are big Kamala supporters? And is it more than black women?

Kamala was not doing well in the 2020 primary with black voters nor in her own state, why do we keep acting like she’s beloved like Obama. She’s an empty symbol for some black women…that’s about it
I was arguing with my dad on this same point

I agree
 

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The point is, the Vice President's main job is to take over when the President can't fulfill his duties. If the fate of democracy and the Constitution is at stake, you can't skip over that tiny part.
But we know this already, why are we talking about it? When did we move past Joe isn't up for campaigning and beating Trump to he can't perform the last 4-5 months of his duties as president? So much so, that his cabinet would invoke the 25th amendment.
 
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