How effed up is it that almost the most important decision in life is made at age 17?
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It was either that or University of Chicago considering your repping. Illinois is a great university too...plus they had a good basketball squad (the kinda shyt that intrigues a teenager). Once sure if you were about that top 10 global university life though (no offense)
I cant lie, one of the reasons i wanna do my MBA in the states is for NCAA related purposes
It's really not that big of a decision.
Americans/Westernized people (the current generation) are just generally a lot more coddled by their parents/society and have come to place no true emphasis on growing up and maturation.
From the stuff typed on here, from the way many of you think/were raised, you'd still be failing/regretting decisions, not because of a flawed system, but because you simply aren't independent/confident enough.
By the time you are a teenager, you should be able to effectively assess situations and garner the consequences of probably decisions, even more important for men. You should be able to research things properly. You should be able to find facts for yourself. You shouldn't be taking everything a stranger says as fact. You should be able to make plans to make things happen.
School isn't a scam. People personally not being prepared for something doesn't make it a scam.
I'm sorry, but this is the only person in this thread who got it right ( a few others basically side with this). But a lot of you come across as whining and unprepared for life like he said. No one is telling you to know exactly what you want to do at graduation. Most schools don't even make you declare a major until you're at the end of your sophomore year. So after two years of sampling college courses and meeting with counselors, doing an internship the year in between, and talking to upper class men, YOU DON'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST INKLING OF WHAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO? :thiswork: So if you decided to jump in a major from day 1 and you fukked up, who is that on? (There are exceptions like engineering, but let's be realistic here, a certain type of person is on that track).
If you didn't weigh the cost of a degree vs. what you're majoring in, whose fault is that? I can go on and on.
I mean, people say stuff like traveling and then say that they're from the hood. Who in the hood has the bread to go traveling around the world? I have an answer, the kid who busted his ass to get into a good college and then goes to study abroad in Europe and then goes all across the continent (one college regret was not doing this). When else are you going to scholarships, funding, aid, etc., to support that? While simultaneously earning and expanding your horizons and networks and if you have a brain, (interning to build up experience) working towards an actual career?
Your critiques are not about college, and there are certainly legitimate ones (costs). You're critiques are about your own lack of preparedness and that may be an indictment on your guidance counselors and college counselors, but not the entire college system. I knew 10x as much as my guidance counselor because I wanted to know what I was getting into. I don't regret anything about college.
The idea that being pressured to go to college is a bad thing when the alternative is the pressures from all the negatives around you is a ridiculous talking point. If you have the willpower to get out of that, then you better have the willpower to research where you're going and what you're getting into. In short, this thread is a symptom of our generation, you're lazy. I'm sorry.
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I don't agree with that at all...we are working harder than we ever have just to maintain our same lifestyle. I think college is great, my main issue is the cost and should be with everyone else.I'm sorry, but this is the only person in this thread who got it right ( a few others basically side with this). But a lot of you come across as whining and unprepared for life like he said. No one is telling you to know exactly what you want to do at graduation. Most schools don't even make you declare a major until you're at the end of your sophomore year. So after two years of sampling college courses and meeting with counselors, doing an internship the year in between, and talking to upper class men, YOU DON'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST INKLING OF WHAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO? :thiswork: So if you decided to jump in a major from day 1 and you fukked up, who is that on? (There are exceptions like engineering, but let's be realistic here, a certain type of person is on that track).
If you didn't weigh the cost of a degree vs. what you're majoring in, whose fault is that? I can go on and on.
I mean, people say stuff like traveling and then say that they're from the hood. Who in the hood has the bread to go traveling around the world? I have an answer, the kid who busted his ass to get into a good college and then goes to study abroad in Europe and then goes all across the continent (one college regret was not doing this). When else are you going to scholarships, funding, aid, etc., to support that? While simultaneously earning and expanding your horizons and networks and if you have a brain, (interning to build up experience) working towards an actual career?
Your critiques are not about college, and there are certainly legitimate ones (costs). You're critiques are about your own lack of preparedness and that may be an indictment on your guidance counselors and college counselors, but not the entire college system. I knew 10x as much as my guidance counselor because I wanted to know what I was getting into. I don't regret anything about college.
The idea that being pressured to go to college is a bad thing when the alternative is the pressures from all the negatives around you is a ridiculous talking point. If you have the willpower to get out of that, then you better have the willpower to research where you're going and what you're getting into. In short, this thread is a symptom of our generation, you're lazy. I'm sorry.
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But seriously breh, I mean, I grew up in the inner-city, and I'm the only one of any of my friends that ever traveled to the West Coast any point before 22.
But, more, we were all the same type of kids, and we all got into colleges, and some people just didn't like college, and others just majored in whatever they liked with no concept of what to do afterwards, others only applied to the local university. Basically, the ones who were successful were proactive about the process and interned and spoke to counselors more than just for the initial meeting freshman year, when they had decided on a major and when they had no idea what they would be doing at graduation.
I understand people not having strong families to support them and not making it, but if you find a way to get to college, and you have that type of drive, you should have enough drive to research things. All you're being asked to do at 17 is make the first choice that will give you many more choices down the line. Just keep making decisions that put you in a position to have a wide array of choices when the time comes to make the next decision (and those times don't come nearly as frequently early on as they people are pretending). They're on the-coli right now, how hard would it be to go on college confidential, read businessweek, forbes, USNWR, etc., to know something about the job market?
It's not that the choice is made at 17, it's that most people who are 17 are coddled and lazy. Society and family didn't fail people at 17 when they made them make that choice, it failed you all the years leading up to that point that led to you being unprepared.
No, 17 year olds are not and that is what this thread is about (or stated more properly, what it has become). At 17 years old you're not doing shyt. I know more than enough about the shrinking middle class and the wage gap, etc. That's not what this thread is about. Your cost argument is virtually moot because that should be part of your thought process before selecting a school and major AND I said that there are legitimate critiques but people in here aren't making it. Look in HL, I'm the one who started the thread about Loan Forgiveness, 99% of the complaints in here aren't based on that AT ALL.
Read through this thread, you may be the exception but 99% of it is whining because people were unprepared. You got a degree in accounting and you never interned in undergrad to build up experience and you're wondering why you're not getting hired?
I wouldn't hire you either.I'm sorry, but this is the only person in this thread who got it right ( a few others basically side with this). But a lot of you come across as whining and unprepared for life like he said. No one is telling you to know exactly what you want to do at graduation. Most schools don't even make you declare a major until you're at the end of your sophomore year. So after two years of sampling college courses and meeting with counselors, doing an internship the year in between, and talking to upper class men, YOU DON'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST INKLING OF WHAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO? :thiswork: So if you decided to jump in a major from day 1 and you fukked up, who is that on? (There are exceptions like engineering, but let's be realistic here, a certain type of person is on that track).
If you didn't weigh the cost of a degree vs. what you're majoring in, whose fault is that? I can go on and on.
I mean, people say stuff like traveling and then say that they're from the hood. Who in the hood has the bread to go traveling around the world? I have an answer, the kid who busted his ass to get into a good college and then goes to study abroad in Europe and then goes all across the continent (one college regret was not doing this). When else are you going to scholarships, funding, aid, etc., to support that? While simultaneously earning and expanding your horizons and networks and if you have a brain, (interning to build up experience) working towards an actual career?
Your critiques are not about college, and there are certainly legitimate ones (costs). You're critiques are about your own lack of preparedness and that may be an indictment on your guidance counselors and college counselors, but not the entire college system. I knew 10x as much as my guidance counselor because I wanted to know what I was getting into. I don't regret anything about college.
The idea that being pressured to go to college is a bad thing when the alternative is the pressures from all the negatives around you is a ridiculous talking point. If you have the willpower to get out of that, then you better have the willpower to research where you're going and what you're getting into. In short, this thread is a symptom of our generation, you're lazy. I'm sorry.
Meh, I consider myself lucky because I was raised well always knew that I wanted to get into Finance or Accounting since I was in grade 11. You're being unrealistic though. The average 17 year old is a kid that still is worrying about impressing bytches, wearing fly gear, saving for a car, attending the next party etc etc.
I aint complaining because I'm in a great position and I have interned in case that comment was directed towards me. (not in financial services though not accounting). Still I feel that the system is kinda rigged.
I dont know how it is in the states...but at least in Canada, valuable, stimulating internships are not that easy to obtain. There are many people in university so the competition is fierce and the demand isnt. Additionally if you go into a specific program you cant switch or your gonna have to start over pretty much from the beginning and spend another 10 or so Gs. And this is Canada, I aint even talking about the USA with your out of state costs.
Going by Toronto's Rotman School of COmmerce for instance:
2012-2013 Calendar -
In the first year you dont sample or explore shyt. You dont even take business classes but instead take:
An intro to management course
A few calculus and stats courses
Economics class
And an elective or some shi t
(This is very similar to my school, McMaster as well actually
)That is already about $10K right there. On top of that there is no education that is applicable to the actually work environment at that point so nobody is hiring you for an internship unless youre the child of an exec/vp. What hospital is really hiring a freshman? Best you can do at that point is volunteer work at a nursery.
Now in the second year theres a couple Finance, Accounting, Marketing courses which allow somebody to determine what they might wanna specialize in. Also some Economics sprinkled in as well.
Now if at this point you figure...man I aint tryna fukk with none of this business stuff (or lets say you chose Life Sciences and decide bio, chemistry etc are just not the road you wanna go down) thats $20K down the drain because the "sample classes" as you put it were not enough to notify the student he isnt interested in the field like that. On top of that, a bunch of courses arent really transferable to another field of expertise unless youre a humanities or liberal arts student. Are we really trying to compare grade 12 chemistry to Organic Chemistry? Grade 12 physics to the shyt engineers deal with?
Two years gone and youre stuck in the middle.
"I already began, I might as well just finish." You finish, and you dont wanna let that degree go to waste and work a shyt job that pays nothing so you continue working in that field and end up miserable. God forbid you have student loans on top of that and cant find a job then have to accept some random call centre job to pay your loans back. Can you honestly tell me that as a 17 year old you knew all about annuities and compounded interest? The time value of money?
Maybe you did but not everyone will.Or "Let me just quit while I'm ahead"...still lost $20,000 and two years of your life
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1st generation graduate from my fam and made it from the hood all the way through college. and sadly im feeling like 80% of my time has been wasted there. Like the dog said I'm one of the liberal art graduates who stuck out here looking for a job because i don't have 2+ years of bullshyt "experience" . Im fresh out of school but my impatience alone is enough to kill me. and my loans havent even started rolling in. The only thng I can really say is that college did help take me away from my surroundings. but overall
Am I blind breh?No, 17 year olds are not and that is what this thread is about (or stated more properly, what it has become). At 17 years old you're not doing shyt. I know more than enough about the shrinking middle class and the wage gap, etc. That's not what this thread is about. Your cost argument is virtually moot because that should be part of your thought process before selecting a school and major AND I said that there are legitimate critiques but people in here aren't making it. Look in HL, I'm the one who started the thread about Loan Forgiveness, 99% of the complaints in here aren't based on that AT ALL.
Read through this thread, you may be the exception but 99% of it is whining because people were unprepared. You got a degree in accounting and you never interned in undergrad to build up experience and you're wondering why you're not getting hired?
I cant see the mention in this postI'll agree with this, especially the bold and even DaCHampishere's post, but like I said you cant expect everyone to be in the know and be able to fend off the pressure. The key word in some of what you said is "should." Theres a lot of things that should be done but what is actually done is what this is about. So I ask you...what should be done about it going forward?
Provide the students with more realistic information as opposed to just saying...go get it.
Theres an obvious reason why thats not done though and thats a whole nother story.
At 17 years old, you are one year from being recognized as an adult by out society. Think about what you're saying. But you're just proving my point. That is a symptom out our society. People don't have balance and want shyt handed to them. How many people do you know who didn't spend any time at all on college applications? You just described lazy people. I mean, I knew people who didn't even bother to figure out how to apply for financial aid. So like I said, that may be an indictment on guidance counselors and the school, but how many of those 17 year olds even ask the questions? It's because they're lazy. And I did all that other shyt 17 year olds do too.
It's not like this in the states. The flaw in the states is that most internships are unpaid so when you try to intern somewhere like NYC or DC you're fukked if you don't have some type of connect. You'll be lucky to get a bus pass out of them
Going by Toronto's Rotman School of COmmerce for instance:
2012-2013 Calendar -
I know nothing about this school, but it seems like a school aimed towards finance/business. Most people aren't going straight into that. Like I said, you don't have to declare your major at most places until the end of your sophomore year. So really it's at 19/20.In the first year you dont sample or explore shyt. You dont even take business classes but instead take:
An intro to management course
A few calculus and stats courses
Economics class
And an elective or some shi t
(This is very similar to my school, McMaster as well actually
That is already about $10K right there. On top of that there is no education that is applicable to the actually work environment at that point so nobody is hiring you for an internship unless youre the child of an exec/vp. What hospital is really hiring a freshman? Best you can do at that point is volunteer work at a nursery.
You're comparing Canada's system to the US' system and my boys at McGill tell me otherwise but
So your critiques don't apply, which is what I was getting at from jump. More people start off undeclared and can sample courses that are prerequisites or will qualify as mandatory electives for numerous majors (schools are flexible like that). So you take one class that's a prereq for what you think you want to major in and then sample around. It's strategy. Now, if you're someone who is looking to engineer then that's more difficult, but like I said, most people don't switch out of engineering because they don't like it, they switch out of it because they can't handle that STEM life. You're arguing strawmen. You're creating a scenario that only exists if people are lazy. I just told you that a post ago. You're empowering lazy ass people. How the fukk do you not know how much debt you have when it's readily available online at the beginning of every semester? I knew how much debt I had before Sallie Mae hit me up at graduation. You know how much a degree costs at the school before you enrolled. You keep creating this scenario that is the result of a few things, a fukked up job market, people getting degrees that aren't in demand, lacking experience, etc. The first thing is not in your control and as a 2011 graduate who had to deal with that market, I'm well aware, but the other two are your fault. So all that other stuff you're talking about in regards to interest, etc., isn't all that relevant at the general level."I already began, I might as well just finish." You finish, and you dont wanna let that degree go to waste and work a shyt job that pays nothing so you continue working in that field and end up miserable. God forbid you have student loans on top of that and cant find a job then have to accept some random call centre job to pay your loans back. Can you honestly tell me that as a 17 year old you knew all about annuities and compounded interest? The time value of money?
That's a general response to financial illiteracy. But you do not have to be especially financial literate to understand that you will be 30,000 dollars in debt, you're getting a degree that gets paid 30,000 a year on average and that lacks openings, this might not be a good idea. You might want to go to the CC that's cheaper first and you might want to double major in something else. But the greater point that you missed, people do not constantly talk to their counselors and then come around at graduation time and wonder what happened. Let me put it like this, I don't know anyone who had hustle, and paid attention to the market and what they were majoring in that is unemployed or not in graduate school right now, or that is surprised that they're unemployed but took the risk because they majored in what they love....those people avoided debt BTW.
Part of the reason it's not done is because college is a business. Law schools, colleges, all these places pump out degrees that won't have a job. It's nonsense.
exactly what I'm getting at
And I honestly dont know if you can call it lazy man. Just because somebody isnt proactive it doesnt mean theyre lazy.
To me if you can have people in your ear telling you, "Are you sure this is the major that you wanna get into and that you wanna attend University?", "Have you done your research about the career prospects and what not?" , "How do you plan to pay for it?" etc.
And then ones response to it is, "I'm not sure but it kinda cool and everyone else is
", "Nah I'm straight, no need to do research at this time", "Nah I'll worry about that later" then dude is lazy.But there arent people asking these questions and I HONESTLY dont think that it really clicks in most teenagers's minds to seek the knowledge themselves
