How Do You Respond To c00ns Who Say, ‘Africans Sold Their Own People Into Slavery’?

[GrindtooFilthy]

So them numbers and claims you made are all in another language

Man go read that book, I sent you the link so stop saying I didn’t provide a source. You can’t even provide proof of your own argument.

 

[Treeshaz]

Many of these African kingdoms alr had cannons and gun powder cause they were trading with up north Muslim kingdoms before Europeans

Found an Example

Ethiopian–Adal war

The Ethiopian–Adal war was a military conflict between the Ethiopian Empire and the Adal Sultanate that took place from 1529 until 1543. Islam was introduced to the Horn of Africa early on from the Arabian peninsula, shortly after the hijra. In the late 800s, Al-Yaqubi wrote that Muslims were...

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Some scholars also argue that this conflict proved, through their use on both sides, the value of firearms such as the matchlock musket, cannons, and the arquebus over traditional weapons

Between 1529 and 1559, the Somali military leader Imam Ahmad ibn Ibrihim al-Ghazi defeated several Ethiopian emperors

The victories that gave the followers of Imam Ahmad the upper hand came in 1531. The first was at Antukyah, where cannon fire at the start of the battle panicked the Ethiopian soldiers. The second was on 28 October at Amba Sel


Somalis alr had guns and cannons back in the 1500s Europeans were not that advance back in the 1400s-1700s .

 

[Gritsngravy]

Man go read that book, I sent you the link so stop saying I didn’t provide a source. You can’t even provide proof of your own argument.

Then them numbers and what u said was bullshyt then

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

Then them numbers and what u said was bullshyt then

How was it bullshyt when u don’t even know African history.

 

[High Art]

Ima ask again what are the nuances, u never answered that

Again, I answered all your questions and even this one here:

What were they supposed to do with these captives? Can you prove that the captives were not aggressors in a given war or battle? What condition was the winning side in these battles/wars? What system did they have in place post-war? What of culture? What of politics at the given time? What of relations with people and other neighboring kingdoms? How strong or weak was the winning side overall? There are many questions that can be asked, thus nuance and context is necessary. Knowing history is important.

You essentially haven't answered any of my questions and in fact, asked questions that were already answered showing that you're not reading the posts or you're full of it. What is the point of continuing a line of dialogue with someone who not only can't listen but apparently can't read either?

 

[Gritsngravy]

How was it bullshyt when u don’t even know African history.

Does the book explicitly give them numbers and makes the claims you made

 

[Gritsngravy]

Again, I answered all your questions and even this one here:

You essentially haven't answered any of my questions and in fact, asked questions that were already answered showing that you're not reading the posts or you're full of it. What is the point of continuing a line of dialogue with someone who not only can't listen but apparently can't read either?

You never answered the nuances question, it ain’t hard you said there were nuances to justify slavery so list out the nuances

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

Does the book explicitly give them numbers and makes the claims you made

It’s been a decade since I read that book but to my memory he gives a rough estimate within his region. You’re not gonna find a book that covers all of Africa that doesn’t exist or even make sense you have to go by various countries, Kingdoms, and regions. He’s from Senegal. The dude whose video I posted was from south east Nigeria. You have to go by ethnic groups And countries

 

[Gritsngravy]

It’s been a decade since I read that book but to my memory he gives a rough estimate within his region. You’re not gonna find a book that covers all of Africa that doesn’t make exist or even make sense you have to go by various countries, Kingdoms, and regions. He’s from Senegal. The dude whose video I posted was from north east Nigeria. You have to go by ethnic groups And countries

Quote the things the book says that helps your argument

 

[GatorStaceyAdams]

you saying it’s made sense for them to kidnap and sell innocent people so Europeans won’t fight them and this logically makes sense to you

That's the problem with your argument. The VAST were not kidnapped but were prisoners of war, or the women and children of conquered people.

There may have been a handful of Africans who were actively capturing people for the SOLE reason of commerce, but this was certainly the minority. And the only people who tend to [inaccurately] exaggerate this aspect tend to have ulterior motives (i.e. racist).

 

[Gritsngravy]

That's the problem with your argument. The VAST were not kidnapped but were prisoners of war, or the women and children of conquered people.

There may have been a handful of Africans who were actively capturing people for the SOLE reason of commerce, but this was certainly the minority. And the only people who tend to [inaccurately] exaggerate this aspect tend to have ulterior motives (i.e. racist).

Can you prove that, and do you think it was true that Europeans came and deboed Africans to sell people

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

Quote the things the book says that helps your argument

Roughly the whole book you need to read all of it, Ayub Job Djallo was kidnapped to the Americas during the Atlantic slave trade, having previously sold slaves himself he details it most of it in his autobiography

 

[High Art]

You never answered the nuances question, it ain’t hard you said there were nuances to justify slavery so list out the nuances

Justify?
I addressed that issue as well. Let me break this down:

You were the one that conflated euro slavery with African slavery. You compared torture and literal rape (your words) to African slavery which amounted to indentured servitude.
I told you that you can condemn both without conflating them.
You were the one who indicated that this is okay because an act is an act and acts can be conflated without nuance despite me saying otherwise.
After proving you wrong and getting you to admit so, getting you to show that you don't read posts, getting you to show that you don't have any facts or anything to back up anything you say, you've opted for moving of the goalposts when even that was addressed by the simple fact that you can condemn both without conflating them.
I feel like this should be my last post in this thread because you're not even reading shyt, both in a history book or in this thread.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Somalis alr had guns and cannons back in the 1500s Europeans were not that advance back in the 1400s-1700s .

Europeans were using cannons in the 13th Century, breh.....

History of cannon

The history of the cannon spans several hundred years. First used in China, they were among the earliest forms of gunpowder artillery, and over time replaced siege engines—among other forms of aging weaponry—on the battlefield. The first cannon in Europe were probably used in Iberia, during the...

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[Gritsngravy]

Justify?
I addressed that issue as well. Let me break this down:

You were the one that conflated euro slavery with African slavery. You compared torture and literal rape (your words) to African slavery which amounted to indentured servitude.
I told you that you can condemn both without conflating them.
You were the one who indicated that this is okay because an act is an act and acts can be conflated without nuance despite me saying otherwise.
After proving you wrong and getting you to admit so, getting you to show that you don't read posts, getting you to show that you don't have any facts or anything to back up anything you say, you've opted for moving of the goalposts when even that was addressed by the simple fact that you can condemn both without conflating them.
I feel like this should be my last post in this thread because you're not even reading shyt, both in a history book or in this thread.

This is not answering the question