How could "True Detective" have had such a massive falloff?

[StraxStrax]

'It's like blue balls... in your heart.'

The fact that this line made it from someone's imagination onto paper, then was allowed to be spoken by an actor in front of a camera and televised, is a crime against humanity.

Well

This thread is like blue balls in my heart

 

[Abstract83]

The writer got hit with plagiarism allegations at the height of season 1's popularity.

Most fans were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until season 2.

After season 2 it seems pretty obvious the allegations were accurate.

Fred.

Who or what did the writer allegedly steal from? I don't think they can ever top season 1. Season 2 was boring as fukk.

 

[pete clemenza]

I'm calling it right now. Go ahead and disagree but If season 3 of True Detective is trash then Nic Pizzolatto didn't write season 1. It'll be a Matrix situation all over again

 

[pete clemenza]

They changed directors, like was said above. Having one good director do all the episodes makes a big difference.

This is no excuse.. pretty much every show out there has a different director for each episode

 

[Box Cutta]

 

[hex]

Who or what did the writer allegedly steal from? I don't think they can ever top season 1. Season 2 was boring as fukk.

A horror/philosophical writer named Thomas Ligotti.

Most of Rust's best dialogue was mad close to lines from Ligotti books.

Thomas Ligotti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 2014, the HBO television series True Detective attracted attention from some of Ligotti's fans because of the striking resemblance between the pessimistic, antinatalist philosophy espoused in the first few episodes by the character of Rust Cohle (played by Matthew McConaughey) and Ligotti's own philosophical pessimism and antinatalism, especially as expressed in The Conspiracy Against the Human Race. The series' writer, Nic Pizzolatto, when evidence of lines of dialogue taken word for word from The Conspiracy Against the Human Race surfaced in The Wall Street Journal, confirmed that Ligotti, along with several other writers and texts in the weird supernatural horror genre, had indeed influenced him. Pizzolatto said he found The Conspiracy Against the Human Race to be "incredibly powerful writing." On the topic of hard-boiled detectives, he asked: "What could be more hardboiled than the worldview of Ligotti or Cioran?

Fred.

 

[Ciggavelli]

This is no excuse.. pretty much every show out there has a different director for each episode

But the first season showed how having a common directorial vision can really make a show that much better. You gotta admit it helped with continuity and the "feel" of the show. Of course the actors and writers had a lot to do with it too, but the director really added that special something that made the season a classic

 

[hex]

This is no excuse.. pretty much every show out there has a different director for each episode

But the first season showed how having a common directorial vision can really make a show that much better. You gotta admit it helped with continuity and the "feel" of the show. Of course the actors and writers had a lot to do with it too, but the director really added that special something that made the season a classic

Both seasons had different cinematographers too. Season 1 was Adam Arkapaw and season 2 was Nigel Bluck. That can affect a show as much, if not more than, different directors.

I'd even say it doesn't matter how many different directors you have as long as you keep the same cinematographer.

Fred.

 

[pete clemenza]

But the first season showed how having a common directorial vision can really make a show that much better. You gotta admit it helped with continuity and the "feel" of the show. Of course the actors and writers had a lot to do with it too, but the director really added that special something that made the season a classic

Yeah it worked well no arguing that but dude made it sound like this is the standard for shows which isn't the case.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Both seasons had different cinematographers too. Season 1 was Adam Arkapaw and season 2 was Nigel Bluck. That can affect a show as much, if not more than, different directors.

I'd even say it doesn't matter how many different directors you have as long as you keep the same cinematographer.

Fred.

Fukunaga did the cinematography for beasts of no nation which was fantastic, so I feel like he had a lot of control over the cinematography in season 1

 

[hex]

Fukunaga did the cinematography for beasts of no nation which was fantastic, so I feel like he had a lot of control over the cinematography in season 1

That's also because season 1 had one director. So the chain of command as far as visuals was director - cinementographer.

Season 2 it was director A, B, C, D, E - cinematographer Nigel Bluck, who admitted he wasn't used to working with multiple directors:

Nigel Bluck, Director of Photography, on the Troubles of Shooting True Detective Season Two

I’d never done television before and I’d never worked with this multi-director format. I understand why it exists – so you can make eight television episodes in three-and-a-half months – but it created a tricky dynamic with people constantly coming and going. The saving grace was Justin Lin, who directed the first two episodes and so took on the biggest piece of pre-production, so at least I could talk to one person about what we knew about the upcoming season.

Fred.

 

[Ribbs]

Both seasons had different cinematographers too. Season 1 was Adam Arkapaw and season 2 was Nigel Bluck. That can affect a show as much, if not more than, different directors.

I'd even say it doesn't matter how many different directors you have as long as you keep the same cinematographer.

Fred.

Pretty sure we wouldn't have gotten so many aerial shots if Arkapaw returned. There were scenes that had two aerial shots within minutes of dialogue

 

[Dirty Mcdrawz]

I don't think Vince was bad I think his character was written horribly though

 

[Black_Jesus]

It wasn't the acting or the cast that was bad.. it was the convaluted shytty storyline. That shyt was beyond trash from start to finish

 

[jay211]

HBO is dying to do season 3 of True Detective. The decision is all up to Pizzolatto. Part of me thinks he wants to put True Detective on hold, because of season 2 and pursue other ideas. He and HBO went hard after the DON WINSLOW book THE CARTEL. They offered Don Winslow lots of money and a straight to series order if he took HBO's offer. Pizzolatto was gonna adapt the book and exec produce the series. But Winslow turned the deal down and decided to take the money from FOX to make the book a movie with Ridley Scott attached to direct.

Seeing that showed Pizzolatto has other interests besides True Detective. I personally think Pizzolatto is talented, but should consider bringing in a staff of writers to bounce ideas off of, even if he still plans on writing all the episodes himself. That's what Noah Hawley did in season 1 of Fargo. He had a staff of writers who broke then story with him for season 1 and then went and wrote all the episodes by himself.