How come Ginuwine didn't become a bigger star?

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Tim and G didn't fall out until 2009. They worked together on a song for G's 2009 album. A video was shot. The song was performed on a late night show. Missy showed up, but Tim, who was also on the song didn't. That is when G called out Tim for not being supportive. He never said Tim was acting funny during the time period you gave. Ginuwine lost two parents during that time period and Aaliyah died. Tim had has own label and a host of other artists he was working with. Ginuwine wanted to be his own man, so he branched out, which also included less writing fron Static, and more of him writing his own music.

None of Ginuwine's music is geared towards sales. The quality of his albums suffered after Tim was no longer at the helm. G's music after Tim wasn't "serious R&B" or at least no more serious than what he was doing with Tim. G's latter albums didn't have the focus or theme that his Timbo produced albums did where his first album dealt with the ins and outs of being single and the second one dealt with the ins and outs being with the one who completes you hence 100%.

Ginuwine's legacy was solidified with 100%. After that he became a singles artist. Ginuwine's first albums were copped vs. the latter albums where only the singles were a bigger deal than the album. I'm willing to bet many, if not most R&B heads and most Ginuwine fans have one of his first two as his best album and far ahead of anything else he dropped album wise. The same people might say "Differences" is his best song or one of his best, but out of his whole catalog, I guarantee a Top 10 Best Ginuwine songs would be filled with classics he made with Tim. Even Ginuwine knows that, which is why they were supposed to reunite for a sequel to his debut. Even when Ginuwine out right said he ain't like Tim, he said dude was the greatest producer ever right after saying he didn't like him.
 

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Tim and G didn't fall out until 2009. They worked together on a song for G's 2009 album. A video was shot. The song was performed on a late night show. Missy showed up, but Tim, who was also on the song didn't. That is when G called out Tim for not being supportive. He never said Tim was acting funny during the time period you gave. Ginuwine lost two parents during that time period and Aaliyah died. Tim had has own label and a host of other artists he was working with. Ginuwine wanted to be his own man, so he branched out, which also included less writing fron Static, and more of him writing his own music.

None of Ginuwine's music is geared towards sales. The quality of his albums suffered after Tim was no longer at the helm. G's music after Tim wasn't "serious R&B" or at least no more serious than what he was doing with Tim. G's latter albums didn't have the focus or theme that his Timbo produced albums did where his first album dealt with the ins and outs of being single and the second one dealt with the ins and outs being with the one who completes you hence 100%.

Ginuwine's legacy was solidified with 100%. After that he became a singles artist. Ginuwine's first albums were copped vs. the latter albums where only the singles were a bigger deal than the album. I'm willing to bet many, if not most R&B heads and most Ginuwine fans have one of his first two as his best album and far ahead of anything else he dropped album wise. The same people might say "Differences" is his best song or one of his best, but out of his whole catalog, I guarantee a Top 10 Best Ginuwine songs would be filled with classics he made with Tim. Even Ginuwine knows that, which is why they were supposed to reunite for a sequel to his debut. Even when Ginuwine out right said he ain't like Tim, he said dude was the greatest producer ever right after saying he didn't like him.


ur prolly right about the dates but Ginuwine did basically say that tim was acting funny when he started using other producers.

I admit I wasn't the most clear when I said "serious r&b". he didn't have the love jams with timbaland.

my whole life
so in love
in those jeans
stingy
love you more everyday

you need those joints to really put the nail in the coffin. timbaland aint gonna produce nothing like that.

and no, most of my top 10 ginuwine joints prolly wouldn't be timbaland productions.
 

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ur prolly right about the dates but Ginuwine did basically say that tim was acting funny when he started using other producers.

I admit I wasn't the most clear when I said "serious r&b". he didn't have the love jams with timbaland.

my whole life
so in love
in those jeans
stingy
love you more everyday

you need those joints to really put the nail in the coffin. timbaland aint gonna produce nothing like that.

and no, most of my top 10 ginuwine joints prolly wouldn't be timbaland productions.

Tim didn't act funny. Ginuwine and Timbaland's schedule never lined up to work together until 2009. Ginuwine wanted Timbaland to entirely produce Back 2 Basics, but Tim was working on several other projects and had a second label deal.

Ginuwine indeed had love songs produced by Timbaland.

Just bevause YOU don't hold Ginuwine's work in high regard doesn't mean that others don't. There's too many posts in this thread where people are specifically saying songs like "Same Ol G" and "I'll Do Anything" are some of his best work. I personally think "In Those Jeans" is cheesy, but I'm not going to say that there aren't a lot of people who hold that song in high regard. And again, Ginuwine's best albums are the ones he did with Tim. The others are forgettable.
 

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Ginuwine was cool, but he couldn’t keep up with R. Kelly and Usher.
 

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usher was always bubble-gum laced & geared towards the crossover.

he wasn't outright pop in his prime, but he was still aimed at outside audiences.
So what was bubble gum about “Nice & Slow”, “You Make Me Wanna”, “My Way”, “U Remind Me” in comparison to “Pony”, “So Anxious”, “None of Your Friends Business”, “Differences”? I’m curious... they sound up the same alley to me. Ginuwine might have been a bit more “sexual” lyrically, but Usher wasn’t too far behind.
 
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So what was bubble gum about “Nice & Slow”, “You Make Me Wanna”, “My Way”, “U Remind Me” in comparison to “Pony”, “So Anxious”, “None of Your Friends Business”, “Differences”? I’m curious... they sound up the same alley to me. Ginuwine might have been a bit more “sexual” lyrically, but Usher wasn’t too far behind.


those usher songs are indeed bubble-gum laced. plus, they have the laface feel as well. they were still cool with me, because JD gave it that so so def sauce. but it was nothing that I would buy. it was kid chit to me.

even "nice n slow", which was provocative but it came off contrived & kinda corny. again, dope song but its nothing I would smash to.

most of those Ginuwine songs you listed aren't even sexual. theyre just more mature & more urban-based.
 

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those usher songs are indeed bubble-gum laced. plus, they have the laface feel as well. they were still cool with me, because JD gave it that so so def sauce. but it was nothing that I would buy. it was kid chit to me.

even "nice n slow", which was provocative but it came off contrived & kinda corny. again, dope song but its nothing I would smash to.

most of those Ginuwine songs you listed aren't even sexual. theyre just more mature & more urban-based.
I didn’t say all of those songs were “sexual” though. I was saying in general, Ginuwine was more sexual than Usher but it wasn’t some night and day difference. They were both urban artists who appealed to the urban crowd. Usher just happened to cross over a bit more than Ginuwine. But Ginuwine did have good success in his own right.
 

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I didn’t say all of those songs were “sexual” though. I was saying in general, Ginuwine was more sexual than Usher but it wasn’t some night and day difference. They were both urban artists who appealed to the urban crowd. Usher just happened to cross over a bit more than Ginuwine. But Ginuwine did have good success in his own right.


usher was GEARED towards the crossover.

and the point I was making is that usher's sexual songs still had more of that bubble-gum kid feel than Ginuwine's non-sexual songs.


@Homeboy Runny-Ray also imo, Usher’s discography is a bit better than Ginuwine’s.. particularly the albums in the primes of their careers.


I respect your opinions

but I don't hold usher's music in high enough esteem to even make that comparison.

for you, i'll go back and give it another shot, but he was just too kiddie for me.
 
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