How come Ginuwine didn't become a bigger star?

[Here Comes the Pain]

Nice & slow had a kid feel to it

Usher been on the sexual stuff since can u get wit it.

 

[Nicely]

Cause he won’t kiss trannies.

 

[brownsugah]

usher was GEARED towards the crossover.

and the point I was making is that usher's sexual songs still had more of that bubble-gum kid feel than Ginuwine's non-sexual songs.

I respect your opinions

but I don't hold usher's music in high enough esteem to even make that comparison.​

for you, i'll go back and give it another shot, but he was just too kiddie for me.

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I respect your opinions as well, but I disagree about him being "too kiddie". Imo, Usher's R&B wasn't that different from Ginuwine's R&B, and vice versa.

 

[darryl]

those usher songs are indeed bubble-gum laced. plus, they have the laface feel as well. they were still cool with me, because JD gave it that so so def sauce. but it was nothing that I would buy. it was kid chit to me.

even "nice n slow", which was provocative but it came off contrived & kinda corny. again, dope song but its nothing I would smash to.

most of those Ginuwine songs you listed aren't even sexual. theyre just more mature & more urban-based.

The fukk are you talking about?

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

The fukk are you talking about?

don't worry about it.

I'm not talking to ya dumbass.

go back where you were at, weirdo.

I respect your opinions as well, but I disagree about him being "too kiddie". Imo, Usher's R&B wasn't that different from Ginuwine's R&B, and vice versa.

its one of the reasons why usher didn't have much of a male fanbase back then, ma.

and he didn't really get much of one, until the younger cats came up during the confessions era

I was in 8th grade when "my way" was poppin. I couldn't mess with him like that. he was like the male brandy.
the girls loved him & Ginuwine about the same tho.
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Nice & slow had a kid feel to it

Usher been on the sexual stuff since can u get wit it.

theres a reason why the bolded went nowhere.

he wasn't convincing on these cuts.

nice-n-slow was just too good to not be a hit. but if JD n them gave that song to somebody more convincing, it would be an all-time classic.

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

theres a reason why the bolded went nowhere.

he wasn't convincing on these cuts.

nice-n-slow was just too good to not be a hit. but if JD n them gave that song to somebody more convincing, it would be an all-time classic.

The first album didn't do as well because he was too young for an album that mature. Not because he didn't have it in him in general to be convincing.

Sex has always been a part of usher`s act

Bout time he dropped nice & slow it was age appropriate.

Nice & slow is already an all time classic btw.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

The first album didn't do as well because he was too young for an album that mature. Not because he didn't have it in him in general to be convincing.

Sex has always been a part of usher`s act

Bout time he dropped nice & slow it was age appropriate.

Nice & slow is already an all time classic btw.

youre just repeating LA Reid's excuse for the album flopping on that usher documentary.
in reality, usher was 16-17 when that first album came out. lol @ him being too young for the content. you know how many people are parents at that age? groups like h-town made all-time classics like "knockin da boots" at that age. shoot, it was an h-town type song, and they were poppin and just 2-3 years older.

"nice n slow" is a classic for its time, but its not an all-timer. LOL. nowhere near.
lets not get carried away homie.

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

youre just repeating LA Reid's excuse for the album flopping on that usher documentary.
in reality, usher was 16-17 when that first album came out. lol @ him being too young for the content. you know how many people are parents at that age? groups like h-town made all-time classics like "knockin da boots" at that age.

"nice n slow" is a classic for its time, but its not an all-timer. LOL. nowhere near.
lets not get carried away homie.

It's not an excuse tho. It was reality.

Grown people ain't tryna hear a 15 year old sing about sex & they ain't tryna see him gyrate on stage either.

Like I said once usher`s age caught up with his act that's when things started to click for him.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

It's not an excuse tho. It was reality.

Grown people ain't tryna hear a 15 year old sing about sex & they ain't tryna see him gyrate on stage either.

Like I said once usher`s age caught up with his act that's when things started to click for him.

grown people weren't really listening to usher's albums or going to his shows regardless. you think "my way" was the big rave amongst adults breh?

like I said, its an excuse. and lets be reality, when he blew up, he was 19-20 serenading under-aged girls. how the hell is that age-appropriate?

he flopped out the gate, cuz the talent-level was high amongst the young male singers in the mid-90s, and he was below the bar.

somebody post that video of Tevin Campbell purposely styling on usher when they tried to prop usher up at that awards show.

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

grown people weren't really listening to usher's albums or going to his shows regardless.

like I said, its an excuse.

he flopped out the gate, cuz the talent-level was high amongst the young male singers in the mid-90s, and he was below the bar.

somebody post that video of Tevin Campbell purposely styling on usher when they tried to prop usher up at that awards show.

Grown people wasn't messing with it because he was too young to be talking all that sex talk.

Tevin Campbell made appropriate music for his age that was mature, but not really sexualized like that.

When they grew up Usher`s sexual bravado started to come thru beneficial wise while tevin Campbell couldn't transition because he lacked that type of raw aura that both of their growing main fan base was ready for.

You make it seem as tho usher is below average talent when dude was killing the game amongst heavy hitters like r kelly, Brian McKnight, d`angelo, etc.

Usher already proved himself.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Grown people wasn't messing with it because he was too young to be talking all that sex talk.

Tevin Campbell made appropriate music for his age that was mature, but not really sexualized like that.

When they grew up Usher`s sexual bravado started to come thru beneficial wise while tevin Campbell couldn't transition because he lacked that type of raw aura that both of their growing main fan base was ready for.

You make it seem as tho usher is below average talent when dude was killing the game amongst heavy hitters like r kelly, Brian McKnight, d`angelo, etc.

Usher already proved himself.

no. I'm referring to when usher blew up. and I made that perfectly clear in my previous post. I see that youre just playing little internet denial games now. I don't indulge in those, unless I'm the OP doing the numbers.

Tevin Campbell had sexualized tracks too. "break it on down" was a big deal.
Tevin Campbell didn't make the same type of music as usher anyway, so I don't know why youre trying to lump them together like that. maybe youre not really familiar with Tevin.

studio-wise, usher is indeed a below-average talent. his main draw was being an entertainer. most of his fans are younger tho, and came up on a watered-down scene.

I see that's the difference here. the late-90s wasn't a gateway era for me, so I look at some of these dudes for what they really are. I remember when usher first hit the scene.
to keep it a buck, if usher wasn't laface's pet project, he wouldn't have made it out of '95, and would only be brought up in trivial '90s discussions. he'd be subway status at best.

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

no. I'm referring to when usher blew up. and I made that perfectly clear in my previous post. I see that youre just playing little internet denial games now. I don't indulge in those, unless I'm the OP doing the numbers.

Tevin Campbell had sexualized tracks too. "break it on down" was a big deal.
Tevin Campbell didn't make the same type of music as usher anyway, so I don't know why youre trying to lump them together like that. maybe youre not really familiar with Tevin.

studio-wise, usher is indeed a below-average talent. his main draw was being an entertainer. most of his fans are younger tho, and came up on a watered-down scene.

I see that's the difference here. the late-90s wasn't a gateway era for me, so I look at some of these dudes for what they really are. I remember when usher first hit the scene.
to keep it a buch, if usher wasn't laface's pet project, he wouldn't have made it out of '95, and would only be brought up in trivial '90s discussions on some "do you remember that kid usher Raymond?" type chit.

Usher blew up in the late 90s

You brought up tevin to belittle usher.

I made the comparison because they were contemporaries who's stock changed as time went on.

Usher is a respected vocalist so I know you don't know what you're talking about just like you didn't know what you were talking about when you was calling his music bubble gum pop.

When Mike died who did they call to sing at the funeral.

When Whitney Houston died who did they call to sing at the tribute.

If he couldn't sing then how come nobody in the industry has called him out on it.

 

[MIKE SPLEAN]

After his parents died back to back he started popping pills, him & timbo started beefing, not to mention he married Sole. If you a sex symbol that's the last thing your female fans wanna hear. Usher still ain't recover from that last marriage lol

Yeah usher really did fukk up his career when he married that ugly ass lady

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Usher blew up in the late 90s

You brought up tevin to belittle usher.

I made the comparison because they were contemporaries who's stock changed as time went on.

Usher is a respected vocalist so I know you don't know what you're talking about just like you didn't know what you were talking about when you was calling his music bubble gum pop.

When Mike died who did they call to sing at the funeral.

When Whitney Houston died who did they call to sing at the tribute.

If he couldn't sing then how come nobody in the industry has called him out on it.

I was clearly referring to the late '90s when I stated that adults weren't the ones bumpin "my way" like that. and I said this, after you tried to use the excuse that the first album flopped because adults didn't support it.

usher & Tevin were only really contemporaries in terms of age. musically, they werent really in the same lane. Tevin would've been competing with people like Kenny Lattimore in the late '90s.

usher isn't a respected vocalist like that breh.
and they didn't call usher to sing at those funerals because hes a knock-down vocalist. BE SMART. and I don't know why youre bringing up Michael Jackson like hes sam cooke or somebody. he fell out of the vocalist category back in the '80s.

since when do people in the industry randomly call out bad singers? this isn't hip-hop. LOL. the most you'll normally get, is subtle chit like when tevin styled on usher.
and I didn't say that usher couldn't sing at all, hes just painfully average vocally. that was never his draw tho.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Yeah usher really did fukk up his career when he married that ugly ass lady

he f*cked up his career when he stopped working with Jermaine dupri.