How come Ginuwine didn't become a bigger star?

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

You don't know what you're talking about. Ginuwine had slow jams with Timbaland. "Tell Me" and "So Anxious" are not slow jams.

And at conveniently throwing Devante into the mix. Put it this way, Devante obviously lacked because Ginuwine has two albums produced by Timbaland. How many of Ginuwine's classics are produced by Devante?

If you think "Pony" is the only signature record that Ginuwine has with Timbaland, you don't know what you're talking about.

Whether it's a "WWE or ESPN" stat is irrelevant, you asked a question and I provided an answer.

Discount the sales in '98. Aaliyah's first week for that album were also higher than the album Brandy dropped 8-9 months later. They were on par with Monica's '03 numbers.

"tell me" is not a slow jam breh.

I wasn't throwing Devante in the mix. its not about Devante. its about you.
lol @ the the bolded. what type of nonsensical nonsense is that?

your answer was ass. and I cram to understand how that's the first record to debut at #1 solely off of radio, when billboard existed long before videos. I don't know. maybe I'm just missing something here. maybe its just me.

why do you keep bringing up brandy & monica? they weren't in the same lane as Aaliyah anymore by the time the '00s rolled around. their music grew up. sounds like youre still salty from those '90s threads.

and Aaliyah's camp themselves were disappointed with the sales breh. you gonna argue with them too?

Ginuwine didn't become a bigger star because the albums after 100% weren't as great. Yeah, he had a string of hits afterward, but Ginuwine wasn't just a singles artist. His albums were copped. And yes, people missed the chemistry between Ginuwine and Timbaland. It doesn't matter how big of a star you become or how many hits you have, once you break chemistry, it can make or break the rest of your career. As dope as Dangerous is as an album and as great as Teddy Riley is as a producer, people still wanted a Michael Jackson/Quincy Jones reunion. Same goes for Snoop/Dre and pretty much any producer/artist combo that made classic music together.

To top it off, you can see where Timbaland took Justin Timberlake. "Cry Me A River" pretty much defined JT's solo career. The music Tim created with Justin was pretty much an extension of what he did with Ginuwine.

lets be reality, timberlake was a diamond artist before he hooked up with timbaland.

and most of the stuff timbaland laced timberlake with, wouldn't have worked for Ginuwine or virtually any other black singer.


sure people want a Ginuwine/timbaland reunion, and preferred mike/quincy. its called sentimentalism & nostalgia. and lets keep it 100, what was quincy REALLY gonna do for mike in '91? mike jack was getting flabby, and he was smart to ride the new jack swing wave. point black.

 

[JustCKing]

"tell me" is not a slow jam breh.

I wasn't throwing Devante in the mix. its not about Devante. its about you.
lol @ the the bolded. what type of nonsensical nonsense is that?

your answer was ass. and I cram to understand how that's the first record to debut at #1 solely off of radio, when billboard existed long before videos. I don't know. maybe I'm just missing something here. maybe its just me.

why do you keep bringing up brandy & monica? they weren't in the same lane as Aaliyah anymore by the time the '00s rolled around. their music grew up. sounds like youre still salty from those '90s threads.

and Aaliyah's camp themselves were disappointed with the sales breh. you gonna argue with them too?





lets be reality, timberlake was a diamond artist before he hooked up with timbaland.

and most of the stuff timbaland laced timberlake with, wouldn't have worked for Ginuwine or virtually any other black singer.


sure people want a Ginuwine/timbaland reunion, and preferred mike/quincy. its called sentimentalism & nostalgia. and lets keep it 100, what was quincy REALLY gonna do for mike in '91? mike jack was getting flabby, and he was smart to ride the new jack swing wave. point black.

How is "Tell Me" not a slow jam?

You did throw Devante into the mix. What did he even have to do with anything? How is the bolded nonsensical? Thread is about Ginuwine and you're mentioning Devante who had nothing to do with producing Ginuwine's music.

You can cram to understand it all you want. It's a Billboard record not something I made up.

Only reason I brought up Brandy and Monica is to show that there's no way you could call Aaliyah a flop based on the numbers she was putting up vs. her contemporaries.

Aaliyah's camp was disappointed, but you don't understand the rationale. By industry standards, Aaliyah wasn't a disappointment. From Blackground's perspective, they expected more based on Aaliyah having her first #1 with "Try Again". They also made an expensive Japanamation commercial. There was also an expensive deluxe edition of the album that had a Japanamation cover. Then they expected the Timbaland produced "We Need A Resolution" to repeat the success of "Try Again". That didn't happen. Aaliyah was selling faster than her sophomore album even without a big single to propel it.

In regard to Justin Timberlake, N'sync was a Diamond selling group not Justin as a solo artist. There's a huge difference. By the time Justin went solo, N'sync was doing a fraction of that. Justin's first single didn't do that well ("Like I Love You" feat. The Clipse). "Cry Me A River" blew up and his solo career took off there after.

Several of the songs that Timbaland laced Justin Timberlake with would've worked with Ginuwine. "My Love", "Cry Me A River", "Until The End of Time", "Chop Me Up", "Set The Mood", and the majority of 20/20 Experience would've worked. In fact, a lot of people said that that album sounded like what Ginuwine/Timbaland would've came out with following 100%.

Sentimentalism and nostalgia are created by what exactly. It's memories that people have that are attached to music that defines specific times in their lives. That means they created something special.

Michael Jackson was not getting flabby at that point. Dangerous is the biggest New Jack album.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

How is "Tell Me" not a slow jam?

You did throw Devante into the mix. What did he even have to do with anything? How is the bolded nonsensical? Thread is about Ginuwine and you're mentioning Devante who had nothing to do with producing Ginuwine's music.

You can cram to understand it all you want. It's a Billboard record not something I made up.

Only reason I brought up Brandy and Monica is to show that there's no way you could call Aaliyah a flop based on the numbers she was putting up vs. her contemporaries.

Aaliyah's camp was disappointed, but you don't understand the rationale. By industry standards, Aaliyah wasn't a disappointment. From Blackground's perspective, they expected more based on Aaliyah having her first #1 with "Try Again". They also made an expensive Japanamation commercial. There was also an expensive deluxe edition of the album that had a Japanamation cover. Then they expected the Timbaland produced "We Need A Resolution" to repeat the success of "Try Again". That didn't happen. Aaliyah was selling faster than her sophomore album even without a big single to propel it.

In regard to Justin Timberlake, N'sync was a Diamond selling group not Justin as a solo artist. There's a huge difference. By the time Justin went solo, N'sync was doing a fraction of that. Justin's first single didn't do that well ("Like I Love You" feat. The Clipse). "Cry Me A River" blew up and his solo career took off there after.

Several of the songs that Timbaland laced Justin Timberlake with would've worked with Ginuwine. "My Love", "Cry Me A River", "Until The End of Time", "Chop Me Up", "Set The Mood", and the majority of 20/20 Experience would've worked. In fact, a lot of people said that that album sounded like what Ginuwine/Timbaland would've came out with following 100%.

Sentimentalism and nostalgia are created by what exactly. It's memories that people have that are attached to music that defines specific times in their lives. That means they created something special.

Michael Jackson was not getting flabby at that point. Dangerous is the biggest New Jack album.

@ the bolded.
@ "tell me" being a slow jam.

i would stop listening to genuine if he made some chit like "my love" or "cry me a river". he'd be selling out. and 20/20 experience is a f*ckin pop album. STOP TRYING TO SPEAK ON THESE TOPICS BREH.

Aaliyah's 3rd album sold faster than her second because she was in a better place going into her 3rd album, and had more mainstream notoriety and it was a better climate for that sort of stuff. you lack perspective breh. that chit was a flop until she passed.

and monica & brandy were no longer her contemporaries at that point. their music had grown up. Aaliyah was still pretty much in the same lane as before.

I didn't bring Devante up.

 

[JustCKing]

@ the bolded

Michael Jackson's album is considered the biggest New Jack Swing album EVER. Those aren't my words, it's actually documented. If you want to argue that it's another thread.

@ "tell me" being a slow jam.

Again, how is "Tell Me" not a slow jam. It's silly to accuse someone of lacking perspective when you refuse to offer one.

i would stop listening to genuine if he made some chit like "my love" or "cry me a river". he'd be selling out. and 20/20 experience is a f*ckin pop album. STOP TRYING TO SPEAK ON THESE TOPICS BREH.

You haven't heard The Bachelor. That's the template for those songs and pretty much the whole Futuresex/Lovesounds album. How would he be selling out, if that's his sound to begin with? Go back and listen to "World So Cold" and tell me it doesn't sound like "My Love". Tell me "Cry Me A River" doesn't have elements of Ginuwine's "When Doves Cry". 20/20 Experience is an album made by a Pop artist but it's based in R&B. Anybody whose actually heard the album would tell you that. Tell somebody to stop speaking on topics when you haven't even heard the music you're trying argue.

Aaliyah's 3rd album sold faster than her second because she was in a better place going into her 3rd album, and had more mainstream notoriety and it was a better climate for that sort of stuff. you lack perspective breh. that chit was a flop until she passed.

The point is it sold faster. How does an album that's selling faster than your previous one flop? Label expectations don't supersede simple math breh.

and monica & brandy were no longer her contemporaries at that point. their music had grown up. Aaliyah was still pretty much in the same lane as before.

Brandy and Monica were still her contemporaries. They were always going to be lumped together because they came out around the same time. You can't say their music had grown up and downplay Aaliyah's growth. One In A Million was a bolder step sonically and content wise than both Monica and Brandy took with their sophomores. Aaliyah worked with Diane Warren ("The One I Gave My Heart To"), the same woman both Brandy and Monica would tap to write their biggest songs. Not only that, but they were grabbing David Foster for production. Still, it would be album #3 for all three of them before they could actually sing about being women. All of them were still teenagers when their sophomores dropped and still had yet to be viewed as women. They were still girls.

If you want to continue down the path of calling Aaliyah's third album a flop, then what do we make of Brandy and Monica's third albums. Brandy's first week sales of her third album (which arrived about 6-7 months after Aaliyah's) were lower than Aaliyah's. Not only that, it was selling around the same amount of copies as Aaliyah was selling with her third album before she died. Brandy had a bigger single at the time too. As far as Monica, her third album (2002's All Eyez On Me) was shelved here in the states and it had a single and video.

And you did bring up Devante. I didn't mention him until you brought him up.

 

[Buzzed Lightyear]

He got married, that fukked up the allure for some women. Ginuwine was a good artist tho.

Usher was married to a bigger star than Sole (Chili) which spawned his biggest album (Confessions) & that solified his spot on the map for the 2000's. If he hadn't dropped Confessions, where would he be?

 

[3rdWorld]

Whiter folks couldn't feel his soul..

 

[GetitGone]

@ the bolded.
@ "tell me" being a slow jam.

i would stop listening to genuine if he made some chit like "my love" or "cry me a river". he'd be selling out. and 20/20 experience is a f*ckin pop album. STOP TRYING TO SPEAK ON THESE TOPICS BREH.

Aaliyah's 3rd album sold faster than her second because she was in a better place going into her 3rd album, and had more mainstream notoriety and it was a better climate for that sort of stuff. you lack perspective breh. that chit was a flop until she passed.

and monica & brandy were no longer her contemporaries at that point. their music had grown up. Aaliyah was still pretty much in the same lane as before.

I didn't bring Devante up.

You are trippin I can definitely hear ginuwine doing cry me a river. I really wouldn't be surprised if static major wrote the song or helped write the song and Tim just didn't give him credit. Listen to those harmonies, that sounds like something static ginuwine and Tim would do bro

 

[J-Fire]

How is "Tell Me" not a slow jam?

You did throw Devante into the mix. What did he even have to do with anything? How is the bolded nonsensical? Thread is about Ginuwine and you're mentioning Devante who had nothing to do with producing Ginuwine's music.

You can cram to understand it all you want. It's a Billboard record not something I made up.

Only reason I brought up Brandy and Monica is to show that there's no way you could call Aaliyah a flop based on the numbers she was putting up vs. her contemporaries.

Aaliyah's camp was disappointed, but you don't understand the rationale. By industry standards, Aaliyah wasn't a disappointment. From Blackground's perspective, they expected more based on Aaliyah having her first #1 with "Try Again". They also made an expensive Japanamation commercial. There was also an expensive deluxe edition of the album that had a Japanamation cover. Then they expected the Timbaland produced "We Need A Resolution" to repeat the success of "Try Again". That didn't happen. Aaliyah was selling faster than her sophomore album even without a big single to propel it.

In regard to Justin Timberlake, N'sync was a Diamond selling group not Justin as a solo artist. There's a huge difference. By the time Justin went solo, N'sync was doing a fraction of that. Justin's first single didn't do that well ("Like I Love You" feat. The Clipse). "Cry Me A River" blew up and his solo career took off there after.

Several of the songs that Timbaland laced Justin Timberlake with would've worked with Ginuwine. "My Love", "Cry Me A River", "Until The End of Time", "Chop Me Up", "Set The Mood", and the majority of 20/20 Experience would've worked. In fact, a lot of people said that that album sounded like what Ginuwine/Timbaland would've came out with following 100%.

Sentimentalism and nostalgia are created by what exactly. It's memories that people have that are attached to music that defines specific times in their lives. That means they created something special.

Michael Jackson was not getting flabby at that point. Dangerous is the biggest New Jack album.

New Jack Swing peaked with MJ. some people hated it...but it was still the best new jack swing album and it came from MJ which made it crazy!

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

New Jack Swing peaked with MJ. some people hated it...but it was still the best new jack swing album and it came from MJ which made it crazy!

highest selling doesnt equate to a peak.

of course it sold the most. hes Michael Jackson, coming fresh out the '80s - which he owned. but don't go out of bounds and call it the best new jack album.

all the classic albums from guy, mary j, the new edition family tree, keith sweat, SWV, etc etc and all the classic rap chit that came from that.......and you gonna sit up here & say that flabby mike jack dropped the goat new jack swing album?

yall need to cut that chit all the way out man. I cant even respect no chit like that.

You are trippin I can definitely hear ginuwine doing cry me a river. I really wouldn't be surprised if static major wrote the song or helped write the song and Tim just didn't give him credit. Listen to those harmonies, that sounds like something static ginuwine and Tim would do bro

song sounds very TRL-ish.

I don't know. maybe it would sound completely different if Ginuwine sung it.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Michael Jackson's album is considered the biggest New Jack Swing album EVER. Those aren't my words, it's actually documented. If you want to argue that it's another thread.



Again, how is "Tell Me" not a slow jam. It's silly to accuse someone of lacking perspective when you refuse to offer one.



You haven't heard The Bachelor. That's the template for those songs and pretty much the whole Futuresex/Lovesounds album. How would he be selling out, if that's his sound to begin with? Go back and listen to "World So Cold" and tell me it doesn't sound like "My Love". Tell me "Cry Me A River" doesn't have elements of Ginuwine's "When Doves Cry". 20/20 Experience is an album made by a Pop artist but it's based in R&B. Anybody whose actually heard the album would tell you that. Tell somebody to stop speaking on topics when you haven't even heard the music you're trying argue.



The point is it sold faster. How does an album that's selling faster than your previous one flop? Label expectations don't supersede simple math breh.



Brandy and Monica were still her contemporaries. They were always going to be lumped together because they came out around the same time. You can't say their music had grown up and downplay Aaliyah's growth. One In A Million was a bolder step sonically and content wise than both Monica and Brandy took with their sophomores. Aaliyah worked with Diane Warren ("The One I Gave My Heart To"), the same woman both Brandy and Monica would tap to write their biggest songs. Not only that, but they were grabbing David Foster for production. Still, it would be album #3 for all three of them before they could actually sing about being women. All of them were still teenagers when their sophomores dropped and still had yet to be viewed as women. They were still girls.

If you want to continue down the path of calling Aaliyah's third album a flop, then what do we make of Brandy and Monica's third albums. Brandy's first week sales of her third album (which arrived about 6-7 months after Aaliyah's) were lower than Aaliyah's. Not only that, it was selling around the same amount of copies as Aaliyah was selling with her third album before she died. Brandy had a bigger single at the time too. As far as Monica, her third album (2002's All Eyez On Me) was shelved here in the states and it had a single and video.

And you did bring up Devante. I didn't mention him until you brought him up.

you said "biggest"? okay my bad. I probably thought you said "best" or something like that. it was new jack with a pop twist tho. so I stil wouldn't call it the biggest without putting an asterisk next to it. my bad tho.

"tell me" is a bouncy ass record for the system. I guess you think "pony" is a slow jam too.

even if its the template for the timberlake album, the timberlake album is still POPPY. again, if Ginuwine made that album, I would've stopped f*ckin with him completely and probably would've stopped listening to his older chit as well.

the Aaliyah album that flopped came out in a different sales era, amongst lesser comp, and she had a bigger commercial name. the sales were mad disappointing. Aaliyah & her team/label knew this. you arguing about it, trying to rewrite history 15 years later is ridiculous.

no they weren't always gonna be lumped together. they all went their own ways. brandy & monica aren't even lumped together all like that anymore, and that was the REAL comparison. Aaliyah was just their 3rd wheel. the only reason brandy & monica are still synonymous in 2k16 is because they do business together and fall under the same umbrella.

of course monica's album in 2002 got shelved, considering all the chit she was going thru.

somebody else brought Devante up, actually. but yea, it wasn't you.

 

[JustCKing]

you said "biggest"? okay my bad. I probably thought you said "best" or something like that. it was new jack with a pop twist tho. so I stil wouldn't call it the biggest without putting an asterisk next to it. my bad tho.

"tell me" is a bouncy ass record for the system. I guess you think "pony" is a slow jam too.

even if its the template for the timberlake album, the timberlake album is still POPPY. again, if Ginuwine made that album, I would've stopped f*ckin with him completely and probably would've stopped listening to his older chit as well.

the Aaliyah album that flopped came out in a different sales era, amongst lesser comp, and she had a bigger commercial name. the sales were mad disappointing. Aaliyah & her team/label knew this. you arguing about it, trying to rewrite history 15 years later is ridiculous.

no they weren't always gonna be lumped together. they all went their own ways. brandy & monica aren't even lumped together all like that anymore, and that was the REAL comparison. Aaliyah was just their 3rd wheel. the only reason brandy & monica are still synonymous in 2k16 is because they do business together and fall under the same umbrella.

of course monica's album in 2002 got shelved, considering all the chit she was going thru.

somebody else brought Devante up, actually. but yea, it wasn't you.

"Tell Me" is still a slow jam. Most Timbaland productions of that era have that bounce to them. It doesn't take away from it being a slow jam.

You not liking Ginuwine if he made that album doesn't change anything. It's still something that could've easily went to him. It sounds poppy because it's Justin Timberlake singing it.

Aaliyah didn't come out in a different sales era than Full Moon or All Eyez On Me. There's no real rationale for a label calling Aaliyah a disappointment unless they were referring to worldwide sales. Domestically, Aaliyah was selling at a much faster rate than One In A Million. Other than that, you could call the performance of "We Need A Resolution" on the charts a disappointment in comparison to "Try Again".

They were always lumped together. Brandy even made a song about it ("Should I Go"). Brandy and Monica weren't a real comparison. That comparison came because of rumors and beef. Monica was the third wheel if you're talking albums. Monica still feels she was/is underrated and it's something she addressed during the promo run for her latest album. She said that she could've been bigger, but she chose to stay in the A. Aaliyah was selling more albums than Monica while she was living and was closer to Brandy. Monica's albums were over-certified. Aaliyah, according to Soundscan, was selling morewithout the #1 hits like "The Boy Is Mine" and "First Night". Here's proof that it was actually Monica who was the third wheel:

Here are how the divas (divettes?) that you mention rank in career album sales, according to Nielsen SoundScan:

8,621,000, Brandy
8,151,000, Aaliyah
4,809,000, Monica
3,211,000, Mya

On the Billboard Hot 100, Brandy has charted 17 entries, Aaliyah and Monica 14 each and Mya 12. Aaliyah and Mya have notched one No. 1 apiece, Brandy two and Monica three. The latter two sums include Brandy and Monica's duet "The Boy Is Mine," which led the Hot 100 for 13 weeks in 1998.

Ask Billboard: How Popular Is Country Music?

Aaliyah's first two albums account for 6 million of the 8 million that she sold (and those albums sold 3 million a piece before she died):

The Detroit native made her first mark on the music scene back in 1994 with her debut, "Age Ain't Nothing But a Number." Since then, "Age" and 1996's "One in a Million" have sold more than 3 million copies, according to SoundScan.

Aaliyah Returns To Music


Monica's album getting shelved had nothing to do with personal issues. Albums aren't shelved because of personal issues. They actually had singles out that didn't do well ("All Eyez On Me" and "Ain't Gonna Cry No More"). They kept some of the songs and it became After The Storm.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

"Tell Me" is still a slow jam. Most Timbaland productions of that era have that bounce to them. It doesn't take away from it being a slow jam.

You not liking Ginuwine if he made that album doesn't change anything. It's still something that could've easily went to him. It sounds poppy because it's Justin Timberlake singing it.

Aaliyah didn't come out in a different sales era than Full Moon or All Eyez On Me. There's no real rationale for a label calling Aaliyah a disappointment unless they were referring to worldwide sales. Domestically, Aaliyah was selling at a much faster rate than One In A Million. Other than that, you could call the performance of "We Need A Resolution" on the charts a disappointment in comparison to "Try Again".

They were always lumped together. Brandy even made a song about it ("Should I Go"). Brandy and Monica weren't a real comparison. That comparison came because of rumors and beef. Monica was the third wheel if you're talking albums. Monica still feels she was/is underrated and it's something she addressed during the promo run for her latest album. She said that she could've been bigger, but she chose to stay in the A. Aaliyah was selling more albums than Monica while she was living and was closer to Brandy. Monica's albums were over-certified. Aaliyah, according to Soundscan, was selling morewithout the #1 hits like "The Boy Is Mine" and "First Night".

so do you throw on "tell me" when youre getting some ass?

after additional review, its not just timberlake's singing. the beats & melodies are poppy as well. so yea, I would disown Ginuwine if he made that album.

be smart son. when I was talking different sales eras, I was clearly talking about Aaliyah's albums in comparison to each other. youre the one that keeps throwing monica & brandy in the mix because youre still butt-hurt over that thread from like 2 or 3 years ago.

no brandy & monica were not just lumped together because of rumored beef. they were clearly the top 2 teen singers of the era. people didn't even take Aaliyah serious. she couldn't sing. she just made cool songs courtesy of her having the best producers & writers out of all the teen females. this is why your Wikipedia style of posting always trips you up in every thread. I didn't even read past the part of your post that I quoted.

of course monica is underrated. the masses don't really follow r&b so they don't know how big her career was. and now you got people who weren't really around back then like yourself, trying to call her the 3rd wheel. LOL. youre dam right, shes underrated. but that's because of retrospect structure, not because of a lack of a run.

 

[JustCKing]

so do you throw on "tell me" when youre getting some ass?

after additional review, its not just timberlake's singing. the beats & melodies are poppy as well. so yea, I would disown Ginuwine if he made that album.

be smart son. when I was talking different sales eras, I was clearly talking about Aaliyah's albums in comparison to each other. youre the one that keeps throwing monica & brandy in the mix because youre still butt-hurt over that thread from like 2 or 3 years ago.

no brandy & monica were not just lumped together because of rumored beef. they were clearly the top 2 teen singers of the era. people didn't even take Aaliyah serious. she couldn't sing. she just made cool songs courtesy of her having the best producers & writers out of all the teen females. this is why your Wikipedia style of posting always trips you up in every thread. I didn't even read past the part of your post that I quoted.

of course monica is underrated. the masses don't really follow r&b so they don't know how big her career was. and now you got people who weren't really around back then like yourself, trying to call her the 3rd wheel. LOL. youre dam right, shes underrated. but that's because of retrospect structure, not because of a lack of a run.

That's not the purpose of all "slow jams" though. Some of those songs are preludes to that.

Who cares whether you would disown Ginuwine if he made that album?

The only person butt hurt over a thread from 2-3 years ago is you. You're the one who even brought Aaliyah up in the first place. You and your alias(es) make it a point to downplay Aaliyah in threads that don't even involve her. In fact, you do this with the entire Bassment crew.

Brandy clearly was one of the top teen singers of that era. Monica wasn't. Monica and Brandy were forever connected because of "The Boy Is Mine". That song is what sparked the rumors. From that point forward they were pitted against each other because of the rivalry that the song created.


Aaliyah's ability/inability to sing has absolutely nothing to do with anything because it's subjective. Act like Brandy and Monica didn't have veteran writing and production from the likes of Babyface and David Foster. Act like Dallas Austin, who was just coming off huge albums like Boyz II Men's and TLC's debut to produce for Monica. Darryl Simmons (Johnny Gill's "My My My", Boyz II Men's "End of the Road", Toni Braxton's "You Mean The World To Me", Bobby Brown's "Don't Be Cruel") also produced for her A lot of the producers that Aaliyah had on her albums (Rodney Jerkins, Jermaine Dupri) were later tapped to produce for Brandy and Monica. Rodney Jerkins, Jermaine Dupri, and Diane Warren produced or wrote for one or both of them. This is where your own ego trips you up, because you think your opinion is gospel and don't even bother supporting your claims. If you did, you wouldn't type up something as ludicrous as "she just made cool songs courtesy of her having the best producers & writers out of all the teen females" without seeing that it also applies to both Brandy and Monica.


Monica isn't just talking about the masses because she never cared to crossover. Even in the realm of R&B, she's underrated. She had a lot to say about Atlanta not acknowledging her when they did some type of Hall of Fame when they didn't honor her.

You can miss me with that "not being around argument". You're under 35 probably not much older if not younger than I am.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

That's not the purpose of all "slow jams" though. Some of those songs are preludes to that.

Who cares whether you would disown Ginuwine if he made that album?

The only person butt hurt over a thread from 2-3 years ago is you. You're the one who even brought Aaliyah up in the first place. You and your alias(es) make it a point to downplay Aaliyah in threads that don't even involve her. In fact, you do this with the entire Bassment crew.

Brandy clearly was one of the top teen singers of that era. Monica wasn't. Monica and Brandy were forever connected because of "The Boy Is Mine". That song is what sparked the rumors. From that point forward they were pitted against each other because of the rivalry that the song created.


Aaliyah's ability/inability to sing has absolutely nothing to do with anything because it's subjective. Act like Brandy and Monica didn't have veteran writing and production from the likes of Babyface and David Foster. Act like Dallas Austin, who was just coming off huge albums like Boyz II Men's and TLC's debut to produce for Monica. Darryl Simmons (Johnny Gill's "My My My", Boyz II Men's "End of the Road", Toni Braxton's "You Mean The World To Me", Bobby Brown's "Don't Be Cruel") also produced for her A lot of the producers that Aaliyah had on her albums (Rodney Jerkins, Jermaine Dupri) were later tapped to produce for Brandy and Monica. Rodney Jerkins, Jermaine Dupri, and Diane Warren produced or wrote for one or both of them. This is where your own ego trips you up, because you think your opinion is gospel and don't even bother supporting your claims. If you did, you wouldn't type up something as ludicrous as "she just made cool songs courtesy of her having the best producers & writers out of all the teen females" without seeing that it also applies to both Brandy and Monica.


Monica isn't just talking about the masses because she never cared to crossover. Even in the realm of R&B, she's underrated. She had a lot to say about Atlanta not acknowledging her when they did some type of Hall of Fame when they didn't honor her.

You can miss me with that "not being around argument". You're under 35 probably not much older if not younger than I am.

lol @ the 1st sentence. STOP IT MAN. for a guy that's always in the wrong so much, you sure never like to admit any Ls whatsoever. you don't deserve your ego. I should just ignore the rest of this long-winded post after that sucka chit.

obviously you care if I would disown him. and the point is, its not just me. he would be generally tagged as a sellout.

lol @ the bolded. yea I cant read anymore of this. you clearly weren't fully around back then. and its not about age breh. your posts are suspect no matter what era we're talking about.

honestly, I didn't know monica was from Atlanta til like a decade later. they don't even give Jermaine dupri his props down there. they probably snubbed her for the same reasons they front on JD.

 

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lol @ the 1st sentence. STOP IT MAN. for a guy that's always in the wrong so much, you sure never like to admit any Ls whatsoever. you don't deserve your ego. I should just ignore the rest of this long-winded post after that sucka chit.

obviously you care if I would disown him. and the point is, its not just me. he would be generally tagged as a sellout.

lol @ the bolded. yea I cant read anymore of this. you clearly weren't fully around back then. and its not about age breh. your posts are suspect no matter what era we're talking about.

honestly, I didn't know monica was from Atlanta til like a decade later. they don't even give Jermaine dupri his props down there. they probably snubbed her for the same reasons they front on JD.

Again, how are you going to be tagged a sellout when it's your sound. I could see if it was "SexyBack", but it's not.

I admit when I'm wrong. And again, the ability/inability to sing is completely irrelevant. There's an objective perspective of singing (based on what the singer does with their range) vs. someone just not liking a singers voice. You don't have to have a big voice to be a great singer. You don't have to be a great singer to make great music.

Breh, just admit you're the one who doesn't know what they are talking about here. Prime example is you not even knowing all of them benefited from working with top shelf producers and writers.

You're accusing me of not being around and you didn't even know Monica was from Atlanta until a decade later.

What's even worse is you threw Aaliyah into the argument to begin with when she had nothing to do with it by stating Ginuwine was bigger.