How come Ginuwine didn't become a bigger star?

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

He was on, better question is why devante didnt pop like that

Devante had a LEGENDARY run.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

two different types of artists. its like comparing monica to brandy or SWV to TLC.

usher was more crossover & pop-friendly, and had a much bigger machine behind him.
Ginuwine was str8 r&b and geared soley towards black listeners, altho white girls bumped his chit too.

Ginuwine was the biggest male r&b act outside of r.kelly for a while. so he did what was intended. he just unfortunately couldn't keep it together upstairs, when all the bad stuff kept happening in his life.

I'm gonna over this thread later.

I'm curious to see how Ginuwine is considered an under-achiever on here.

 

[Fani Willis fan]

Devante had a LEGENDARY run.

In the mainstream ? with solo hits ?
show me

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

No he wasn't. Ginuwine doesn't have any album touching 8701 or Confessions. Ginuwine was carried by Timbalands productions.

lol. you never know chit about chit.

Ginuwine could sing and dance his ass off. lol @ him being carried by production. in fact, just about all of his classic slow jams came AFTER he stopped working with timbaland.

if anybody was carried, it was usher. a marginal vocalist who struggled before he got with JD, and struggled so bad after he stopped working with JD, that he had to start making blatant sellout pop music to stay afloat.

In the mainstream ? with solo hits ?
show me

solo hits? Devante never sung lead in his life breh. hes a producer/background singer in jodeci.

what do you mean by mainstream? POP music? this is r&b breh. he was the leader of multi-platinum group and banged out hits for other artists.

his run was LEGENDARY. and if he didn't lose his mind, he would've been in the running for GOAT.

do ya googles.

 

[Big Boss]

two different types of artists. its like comparing monica to brandy or SWV to TLC.

usher was more crossover & pop-friendly, and had a much bigger machine behind him.
Ginuwine was str8 r&b and geared soley towards black listeners, altho white girls bumped his chit too.

Ginuwine was the biggest male r&b act outside of r.kelly for a while. so he did what was intended. he just unfortunately couldn't keep it together upstairs, when all the bad stuff kept happening in his life.

 

[Big Boss]

lol. you never know chit about chit.

Ginuwine could sing and dance his ass off. lol @ him being carried by production. in fact, just about all of his classic slow jams came AFTER he stopped working with timbaland.

if anybody was carried, it was usher. a marginal vocalist who struggled before he got with JD, and struggled so bad after he stopped working with JD, that he had to start making blatant sellout pop music to stay afloat.







solo hits? Devante never sung lead in his life breh. hes a producer/background singer in jodeci.

what do you mean by mainstream? POP music? this is r&b breh. he was the leader of multi-platinum group and banged out hits for other artists.

his run was LEGENDARY. and if he didn't lose his mind, he would've been in the running for GOAT.

do ya googles.

Yep usher went the pop route

 

[Fani Willis fan]

solo hits? Devante never sung lead in his life breh. hes a producer/background singer in jodeci.

what do you mean by mainstream? POP music? this is r&b breh. he was the leader of multi-platinum group and banged out hits for other artists.

his run was LEGENDARY. and if he didn't lose his mind, he would've been in the running for GOAT.

do ya googles.

im tryna say he should of had a huge solo career instead being the dude who laces artists with hits.
Im very familiar with his work breh

 

[The G.O.D II]

lol. you never know chit about chit.

Ginuwine could sing and dance his ass off. lol @ him being carried by production. in fact, just about all of his classic slow jams came AFTER he stopped working with timbaland.

if anybody was carried, it was usher. a marginal vocalist who struggled before he got with JD, and struggled so bad after he stopped working with JD, that he had to start making blatant sellout pop music to stay afloat.







solo hits? Devante never sung lead in his life breh. hes a producer/background singer in jodeci.

what do you mean by mainstream? POP music? this is r&b breh. he was the leader of multi-platinum group and banged out hits for other artists.

his run was LEGENDARY. and if he didn't lose his mind, he would've been in the running for GOAT.

do ya googles.

You could say the same thing about ginuwine and how he fell all the fukk way off after he left Timbo. LMAO classic slow jams. Name these classics after Timbo.

 

[letti cook]

You could say the same thing about ginuwine and how he fell all the fukk way off after he left Timbo. LMAO classic slow jams. Name these classics after Timbo.

 

[Jack Trippa 3z company ho]

He should have been bigger. His biggest problem to me was a lot of his songs were watered down and boring (singles-wise) outside of Pony. Timbaland was giving his best beats to Aaliyah and kinda brought his C-game for G.

But I will say that the first time I heard pony was in the car with my cousin and uncle we jammed that so loud...nothing musically had ever sounded like that before.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

You could say the same thing about ginuwine and how he fell all the fukk way off after he left Timbo. LMAO classic slow jams. Name these classics after Timbo.

like half of his biggest joints came AFTER timbaland.

if youre not really into r&b, that's cool.

but why bother arguing to the death about it and showing your ass? you could've asked the questions like these other dudes instead of making bold statements.

im tryna say he should of had a huge solo career instead being the dude who laces artists with hits.
Im very familiar with his work breh

a huge solo career doing what?

HE DIDNT SING. HES A PRODUCER.

and he was a HUGE producer before he lost his mind. so theres your huge solo career.

I think youre confusing things with this wack current landscape of mainstream r&b where barely anybody sings, and they just do rap chants. sure, if Devante was a new artist today, he would probably be doing that bullchit too, but that nonsense didn't fly back in the day breh.

He should have been bigger. His biggest problem to me was a lot of his songs were watered down and boring (singles-wise) outside of Pony. Timbaland was giving his best beats to Aaliyah and kinda brought his C-game for G.

But I will say that the first time I heard pony was in the car with my cousin and uncle we jammed that so loud...nothing musically had ever sounded like that before.

ehh. there were other songs that were out before "pony" that sorta had that sound that didn't get promoted like that. especially, jamecia's "rodeo style". I'm convinced that Pony was really just an answer-record to that jawn.

Ginuwine singles boring? since when?

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

9 oclock

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

But that's true, he just never crossed over like that, and you can't blame it on the music/beats because Aaliyah was HUUUUGE with the same team

Side note: 100% ginuwine is a classic, but that's the worst album cover of all time, shyt looks like a 1980's Sears catalog model

just because youre on the same team, it doesn't mean youre on the same tip.

for starters, Ginuwine was bigger than Aaliyah and sold more records. it may seem like Aaliyah was bigger because she got way more promotion(btw, they were not on the same label)
but she was not as big as Ginuwine.

and Aaliyah was kid chit just like usher breh. theres no comparison really.

haha @ 1980s sears catalog model. lol. good chit.

Ginuwine didnt fall of when Timbaland stopped producing for him. The Life album only had 1 Timbo beat and went platinum and "Differences" is Ginuwines biggest billboard hit

yep. on point.

problem is this is a rap board.

that's where the confusion comes in with a lot of these posts I'm reading. a lot of misconceptions.

Ginuwine was a big star. When timbo stopped producing for him thats when he fell off.

no the hell he didn't.

look, I know this is gonna sound crazy on a rap board, but timbaland was in the way. Ginuwine was smart for trying to get other producers, cuz if he stayed with just timbo, he would've had more of a novelty act legacy.

with timbaland at the helm, we would've never got CLASSICS like
differences
in those jeans
stingy
love you more
and a gang of others.

and I don't know why people are so concerned with him getting back with timbaland. Ginuwine came back droppin hits, then got with TGT and had the r&b chit on smash. all while timbaland has been making mostly corny ass pop tart music for the past 14 years.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I look back at Ginuwine in his prime and I seriously don't understand why he didn't become a bigger star. He made good music for the most part. He had all the intangibles to be as big of a star as Usher. He was probably equally talented and he had sex appeal. I was thinking that maybe it was him having a good portion of his music revolve around sex, but then I thought well usher basically did the same thing and that's going back to his debut album.

So what did he do wrong that Usher did right?

Ginuwine is way more talented than usher. hes a better dancer, a much better singer, and wrote a lot of his own chit.

usher was designed to sell more. he made popcorn music and had the biggest machine in r&b history backing him.

Usher would vocally destroy him

LOL.

Ginuwine is a better singer.

usher cant destroy anybody vocally. that's not his game. hes an entertainer. was never a vocalist.

I've previously heard double also. Probably shipped double,sold those I agree usher connected more with the kids than G

by kids, you must mean white kids.

cuz Ginuwine was just as popular with urban youth as usher. and unlike usher, Ginuwine had a legit adult following.

How the hell was My Way..8701. Or Confessions any less hood than Ginuwine's shyt? Especially the first 2.

I wouldn't consider any usher album to be hood.:Patrice:

U make me wanna? My way? Nice and Slow? That's what blew Usher up. And none of that shyt was catered towards white people. He just was younger and catered to a younger audience.

@Dboy41 is right. his wording is what tripped him up, but I see what hes trying to say.

all those songs are riddled with pop elements breh. this is laface/arista we're talking about. usher was nickelodeon type.

nice-n-slow may be an exception but that was a bone thug style r&b record, back when bone thugs was killin MTV so it worked perfect. he even beat Mariah to the bunch before she dropped the breakdown video. both of them being down w/ Jermaine dupri of course. yall better start giving that guy his credit.

I bought ginuwine's first 2 albums during their initial runs. Ginuwine was a star,but he never reached usher's level for multiple reasons.
1. As many have already said,he was older and marketed that way.

2. We can't blame it on age solely cause kell's was also a grown man but he made waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better music than ginuwine.
Basically ginuwine did as good as his singles allowed him too.
I'm a big fan but his huge records are far and few between so he couldnt remain where PONY took him.
He only has one song on that PONY level,pony itself. Has a bunch of other songs i love but none on that level.

lol @kellz making "waaaayyyy better music than Ginuwine" as if this was the 12 play era.

and youre forgetting that kelz was lacing the pop world at this point too;
I believe I can fly
gotham city
the song with celine dion - the '90s adelle
etc

I'm talking about quality in music. Not mainstream appeal or none of that. His singles are better RnB music to me.

THIS.

Ginuwine is a good singer I give him that, but he was just the one of the many "good singers" that were in the game back when R&B was in it's prime. I can bring up a bunch of underrated R&B singers, e.g. TQ, Ali, and even Mario (who is a one-hit wonder).

Ginuwine is way bigger than these guys. I don't even remember an Ali.

Mario had 1 or 2 hits on every album.

Ginuwine was huge but he was to old unlike usher and new jack swing Era was dying by the time he came, usher was always big but I can't imagine Ginuwine doing the A town stomp.

new jack swing was already pretty much dead.

Ginuwine didn't do new jack swing.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

just because youre on the same team, it doesn't mean youre on the same tip.

for starters, Ginuwine was bigger than Aaliyah and sold more records. i

the crack must taste like skittles and lemonade where you live...

I couldn't even read past this dumb shyt...a 15 second google search crushes this dumbass statement

i'm not even gonna post the glaringly obvious, how about you show me where ginuwine outsold aaliyah.