Na it's true, I was laughing at "king of biter" lol None of JD artists are regular ideas from him
JD stole the whole Xscape idea from Devante, Devante had a girl group coming called "Sista" (Missy was apart of that group) he was gonna make them the female Jodeci, from style to sound. They rocked bandanas & ponytails
nikkas in here just making up shyt to try and sound deep or that they know what they talking about
Nobody is talkin bout where and when his songs got played. Usher resonated with younger people during that My Way era more than the older people. I can throw on a Ginuwine song at a party for people like 40 and they will fukk wit it faster than alotta Usher songs. Me being a DJ have seen it over and over again. Usher looked more youthful and carried himself more youthful as well. Usher's truly grown image came with 8701.
now all of a sudden Usher was marketed differently from his older counterparts? how? where?
i remember usher's music came on right along the grown folks music, right between SILK, Jodeci, LSG, Brian Mcknight, Eric Benet - he was 19 when MY WAY dropped I believe
if you were an R&B artist, your ass had to compete w/the grown folks music too - Tevin Campbell came out on the Graffiti Bridge soundtrack and that shyt had a warning sticker on it, he was like 14 years old
Ginuwine's biggest hit was Differences. which came out WAY after PONY. So to say he didn't come anything close to it after that is retarded being that he sold more records AFTER that album came out.Said the two things i was coming in here to say so...
nikkas in here arguing shyt that is subjective(who sings better) when this thing really just boils don't to numbers. I've said this forever and i'll say it again...when it comes to anything black in America, black ppl make things popular but white ppl make things successful. Save your hate mail if you disagree, it's all about numbers. When white ppl jump on something popular in black culture the success and popularity goes thru the roof.
Also Usher has always had a POP slant to all his songs at least since the My Way album which catapulted his career. I also would agree with song selection(Usher had a more mackish vibe while Ginuwine came more raw and raunchy initially) and image being a factor (Usher looking and sounding younger and smoother in his vocals than Ginuwine). In my opinion there's literally nothing Ginuwine does better than Usher other than dance, it's just to bad singles don't sell off dancing alone. Ginuwine came with his biggest hit out the gate and didn't have anything even close to it after that, while Usher was cranking out hit after hit...pop type hits at that, ie that crossover game was.
End of the day Ginuwine stayed more of an urban star, which is why i suspect nikkas ride with him more and Usher sound had more crossover appeal that would eventually turn him into an international superstar.
we're having two different conversations fam...
Both Ginuwine and Usher had high school girls on smash. But difference wit Ginuwine is he appealed to the older women more as well. nikka came out on some stripper shyt. His style was way more raunchy than Usher's. I didn't say Usher had no older fans and I never said Ginuwine ain't have the younger fans. I said Usher was overall more catered to a younger audience while Ginuwine older. Ginuwine was 28 when Usher blew up off of My Way. Usher was 19-20. Usher looked and carried himself in a more youthful manner. I'm not tryna say he made kiddie music or nothin. Dude been making adult themed music since he was 15-16..
i was in high school right when ginuwine's first album and ushers MY WAY (his second album) dropped. I can tell you now that chicks loved them both equally, and I went to an all black ghetto ass high school
there's no way teenage black girls could be head over heels for a 19 year old and a 25 year old unless the industry put them both out there the same way at the same time...
like he said, a lot of cats in this thread are remembering wrong because i've never known black artists to be separated by age groups in terms of marketing prior to this new bubble gum pop era we're in now...everything seems to be targeted toward children
My problem is that people are using Usher to measure Ginuwine's success. Which is stupid. Usher was the biggest of everybody at the time. Ginuwine was in a comfortable second place. The game had alotta contenders. It wasn't like it is today. There was alotta successful RnB singers out there. The thread said why didn't Ginuwine become a bigger star. It doesn't make sense cause Ginuwine was a huge star. He wasn't as big as Usher but he was a big star nonetheless.Ok i stand corrected, I thought Pony sold more and was his only platinum hit.
Anyway all the rest i said still stands. Ginuwine had his lane and if Usher never existed maybe he'd have been a bigger deal.
Yea I feel u. I was talking about overall appeal.
usher is a bigger pop star than r Kelly.
Y'all considered Usher a bigger R&B star than R. Kelly?