How Can We Address Anti-intellectualism in Our Communities?

[theworldismine13]

Ive never once seen black folks put down intllectuals in the neighbourhoods iv been two. If black communities had access to grade A schools we would have more "intellectuals".

I think the question is HOW do we develop grade A schools in the black community without going through white people?

 

[theworldismine13]

sohh nobody checked this cat after publishing this post....

I cosign that post, I think maybe with the exception of Atlanta all cities that are run by black people are shytholes, let's face that reality and change it

 

[Calmye]

I think the question is HOW do we develop grade A schools in the black community without going through white people?

We have to get rid of the strangle hold the teachers union has on education. Charter schools for now is good alternative but the goal should be to get the foot of the government and teachers union off the necks of teachers.

 

[88m3]

sohh nobody checked this cat after publishing this post....

@theworldismine13 cosigned him

 

[Calmye]

I cosign that post, I think maybe with the exception of Atlanta all cities that are run by black people are shytholes, let's face that reality and change it

Charlotte
Indianapolis
Columbus
Are all great cities with a good size AA middle class.the problem is the government not the people

 

[theworldismine13]

We have to get rid of the strangle hold the teachers union has on education. Charter schools for now is good alternative but the goal should be to get the foot of the government and teachers union off the necks of teachers.

Yep, I think we need to break down the school system and build it back up to suit our needs, we need charters, vouchers and keep the few public schools that are doing good and we need to study the best practices and the latest research from and all over the world and apply these ideas to the schools in the aforementioned shythole cities, this is something that black people can do in the aforementioned cities becuase it's cities where we control the school system

 

[bigDeeOT]

You hold blacks in a really negative light.

Blacks absolutely SHOULD be held in a negative light. You're living in a delusion, an absolute fantasy world if you think the state of black america is a positive thing in this country. So it doesn't make sense to whine about how we're criticizing blacks. If you aren't criticizing the black community, you're doing blacks a huge disservice. Your anti-racism rhetoric won't get us anywhere.

You make broad sweeping generalizations about millions of people and what our communities are or aren't doing..

It can be very useful to make generalizations sometimes. No one is saying this applies to every black person. It's a generalization to say blacks are anti-intellectual but its a fact that applies to a lot of people.

It's also a generalization to say black people think all our problems are due to white people and slavery. That doesn't apply to everyone, but for the most part it does hold true.

When your particular ideology is based on false information and the type of hyperbole that comes from the far right and Neo Nazi's(no hyperbole) don't be surprised when you're called on it. I think it was Meech who pointed it out, anyways what you're doing is essentially being anti-intellectual. .

That doesn't make any sense. You're saying that what he is saying is anti-intellectual because it may coincide with what you describe as neo-nazi? That's not anti-intellectual, that's just having a radical viewpoint. No matter how radical it is, you can't say its anti-intellectual if we're actually making points to support our argument. You on the other hand has said very little of actual substance against the arguments. Instead you try to defame the character because you have nothing else to say. And that is the very definition of anti-intellectual.

Any time a black person comes across an argument that goes against the hivemind mentality they quickly label the person as a neonazi/st0rmfr0nt as a way to EXCUSE themselves from participating in an intelligent discussion. And all you other negroes applaud that person for excusing himself so you learn to do that all the time to maintain the hivemind group-think mentality. Brother how do you not see the flaw in not allowing an open dialogue?

You can say that blacks are victims looking for handouts... all you want.
Anyone who reads this forum and is remotely intelligent can see through you and that you're ignorant.

The blacks in the ghetto are looking for handouts by staying on welfare. And then you have the well-to-do and middleclass blacks on here talking about how we're all victims of the system and if it wasn't for racism and slavery we'd be better off. So literally 98% of blacks are looking for some form of a hand out. Pointing that out isn't ignorant, its a matter of fact.

 

[Serious]

I cosign that post, I think maybe with the exception of Atlanta all cities that are run by black people are shytholes, let's face that reality and change it

I would but the only thing I see is green...

Focusing on green blurrs color lines...
Maybe a few years from now...

@theworldismine13 cosigned him

 

[theworldismine13]

Charlotte
Indianapolis
Columbus
Are all great cities with a good size AA middle class.the problem is the government not the people

But do we run those cities tho?, I'm talking more about Detroit, Gary, Newark, Memphis, Camden, DC etc, these are cities that we need to focus on

 

[Calmye]

Yep, I think we need to break down the school system and build it back up to suit our needs, we need charters, vouchers and keep the few public schools that are doing good and we need to study the best practices and the latest research from and all over the world and apply these ideas to the schools in the aforementioned shythole cities, this is something that black people can do in the aforementioned cities becuase it's cities where we control the school system

Get government out of schools as much as possible and stop the mindset of busing black kids to white schools. We need to build are own community up and stop this notion of making it out the hood and start a mindset of giving back to the hood. Basically we need to stop blaming and following white people. we need to focus on investing in our communities.

 

[Calmye]

But do we run those cities tho?, I'm talking more about Detroit, Gary, Newark, Memphis, Camden, DC etc, these are cities that we need to focus on

Charlotte and Indianapolis hAve alot of AAs in office but I understand the point you're making and I agree 100%.

 

[bigDeeOT]

sohh nobody checked this cat after publishing this post....

You can look at me cross-eyed all you want. If at the end of the day you have nothing of actually substance against my argument, then what I say stands.

I want to clarify myself here. I am a young black male and I am proud to be black. But part of my love for the black community has to involve criticizing black america so we get out of the mess we're in. Some people like yourself would like to believe any time someone criticizes the black community they're a sell out. That kind of mentality has been going on since day one of the creation of the welfare state, and within the last 50 years where has it got us? Absolutely no where. Black america was in a better position in the 40s and 50s when the KKK and jim crow were in full blown effect lynching people on the streets.

So that smiley you posted, of some dumbass rapper/athlete/entertainer looking confused represents the epitome of black america today and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for posting it.

Again, it appears that no one here is willing to actually debate me. My arguments cannot be deconstructed.

 

[godkiller]

93% of black murders are by the hands of another black person. No one in this country is killing blacks except their own brothers. So this is not comparable to jews.

All ethnicities kill each other than any other group. That's because they interact with each other on a more personal basis than they might the other group. White murderers are largely intraracial to the tune of 82%+. Increasingly racially motivated hate killings should not be dismissed because white people kill white people and black people kill black people. Jews probably killed more Jews in Germany than the Germans did Jews until the Germans actually started killing Jews. Should the Jews have used your dumb c00n logic? Racially motivated killings embolden discrimination against blacks!

The reason why blacks are unemployed is due to a variety of factors. Discrimination is one of those factors. But its not even close to the primary reason. A much much much bigger factor is the fact that blacks have no skills. They aren't seeking education whether that means a college degree or hands on trade school skills like booker t washington advocated for.

It's a mix of skills, education and discrimination whereas other people's unemployment is just skill, education and positive discrimination (they benefit from other group's being discriminated against).[

And check this out. If you look at the population of racist people out there, some percentage of those people are racists just because they don't like black skin color. But I suspect a larger percent of people are racist because of what they see in black america and how we advertise ourselves. When you have so many blacks involved in a culture of anti-intellecualism, these white people generalize and assume that all blacks don't want to learn anything.

So the reason blacks have been discriminated against for 200 years is "unintelllectualism"? What about all the whites who couldn't read 150 years ago? What about the average white back then was intellectual? WhMost white people are not intellectuals or involved in a culture of intellectualism even today. They're just regular folk who think they're better than other folk. Blacks get discriminated against in Europe too, in places like Spain, Italy, etc, and oftentimes the blacks are more educated than the whites on average. The whites in these countries sleep at lunch break! Their economies would be dust if not for the better European country's support! They'd live at a far lower level than they live now! You keep on with this assertion than there is some kind of justification for white racism--despite the hypocrisy and ethnocentricity--when there isn't.

That, in combination with the fact that affirmative action allows blacks with only half the skills to be places where others need the whole package, makes any non-black person highly skeptical of the credentials of a black person.

Affirmative action is just white people getting mad. Anything individually affects any group--a country, a city, a neighborhood--is a form of "affirmative action". So trade is a form of "affirmative action" for America. Anyway, AA doesn't affect the average white person and white people all over are given jobs their skills don't match or aren't good enough to warrant. People are hired on the basis of friendship, looks, etc all the time. Whites don't care about legacies, sports people, etc getting into college b/c many of these people are white (anything outside football and bball is a white sport) and whites see benefits in their own communities, so they shut up. The same is true of things like that welfare fact which happened after WW2. The cacs didn't care then because they were the recepients and they had to "rebuild" the country.

Now I don't think those generalizations are valid. Racist people should be blamed for being stupid. But I'm saying, black people are also to blame for creating those generalizations in the first place, which will ultimately make people racist.

Nobody is FORCED to be a racist by any set of circumstances. "Well the blacks don't read as much as I do so I'm jutsified". A true racist will just keep moving the goal posts: "blacks don't do physics", even if that person themselves has never done it. It's a losing game. You rationalizations justifying st0rmfr0nt racism are soundly rejected.

Also, in response to you saying discrimination is a factor in why blacks haven't achieved anything. I think people are over emphasizing the magnitude of that factor. I think if we are to address why black america is in the state of degeneracy its in today, we would be doing ourselves a huge disservice to focus any significant time on racism. There's too much other bigger issues.

You're entitled to your own opinion, c00n.

Honestly, I think the racism problem will fix itself. Racism will never go away, but it will dramatically reduce in magnitude once black america gets to a point of achievement. Then a lot of people will start looking up to blacks after seeing all they have achieved.

I don't disagree.

And that's how I know I've won the argument. When you try to attack the person rather than saying anything of substance in reply to the points I made because, well, that's all you can do at this point. You have nothing to say.

The argument is over. You sound like that c00n Larry Elder. You don't believe black people worth shyt. That's OK.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

at all the strawmen being set up and knocked down in here

 

[Calmye]

You can look at me cross-eyed all you want. If at the end of the day you have nothing of actually substance against my argument, then what I say stands.

I want to clarify myself here. I am a young black male and I am proud to be black. But part of my love for the black community has to involve criticizing black america so we get out of the mess we're in. Some people like yourself would like to believe any time someone criticizes the black community they're a sell out. That kind of mentality has been going on since day one of the creation of the welfare state, and within the last 50 years where has it got us? Absolutely no where. Black america was in a better position in the 40s and 50s when the KKK and jim crow were in full blown effect lynching people on the streets.

So that smiley you posted, of some dumbass rapper/athlete/entertainer looking confused represents the epitome of black america today and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for posting it.

Again, it appears that no one here is willing to actually debate me. My arguments cannot be deconstructed.

That smiley is of a barber working in a black owned barbershop.