How Can We Address Anti-intellectualism in Our Communities?

[bigDeeOT]

Your statistics don't invalidate anything I said earlier. Here what you don't get: most hate murders are [whatever]-on-black. It's important that it be addressed and not swept under the rug like the white supremacists want to happen.

No, you never hear about black on white hate crimes because that is apparently an impossibility in this country. Tell me when was the last time you heard on the news of a hate crime involving black men beating up a white man? You never hear about it because its swept under the rug. Or do you think you never hear about it because it doesn't exist? lmao

And that plays very well with the narrative that the white liberal wants you to believe. He wants you to believe that you are a victim, and nothing is your fault. Your drinking the kool-aid brother.

 

[bigDeeOT]

What does that have to do with "anti-intellectuals" in the community?

Dude, I'm responding to someone's post. Why you playing games?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Here's what you don't get. White people make up 73% of the population, and yet they account for 45% of murder victims. That means there is an UNDER representation of white murder victims in relation to the population.
Blacks make up 13% of the population, and yet they account for HALF (50%) of the murder victims in this country. That means there is GROSS over representation of black murder victims in relation to the population.
So when you try and make it seem like whites are killing whites just as blacks are killing blacks, that's simply not true by ANY measure.

Your statistics are wrong as hell. This is why a conversation with you is futile, the original information you are starting with is so flawed that any type of conversation fails before it can get anywhere.

 

[theworldismine13]

You don't consider yourself a white supremacist but here's a few post from storm front
compared against yours :

Tell me this doesn't sound like some shyt @theworldismine13 or @bigDeeOT
would say.
Actually compare this post to this one :

I don't really care tho, this issue of equating the black agenda with liberals is a mistake, if an individual wants to be a liberal or anything else it's fine, but this whole notion of using support of liberalism as a litmus test is an economic and intellectual dead end

And nobody has ever answered the question of what solutions or ideas they have that don't involve white people, if that is not evidence of intellectual stagnation I don't know what is

 

[godkiller]

No, you never hear about black on white hate crimes because that is apparently an impossibility in this country. Tell me when was the last time you heard on the news of a hate crime involving black men beating up a white man? You never hear about it because its swept under the rug. Or do you think you never hear about it because it doesn't exist? lmao

It's all over fukking Drudge, the conservative websites, Breitbart, the hate websites, the white whatever. So you are aware, the majority of hate crimes are white-on-black not the other way around. You'll also notice a million white phaggots defending the racist murderers in articles and comments. I don't give a fukk about white victimization. Blacks are victimized everyday.

And that plays very well with the narrative that the white liberal wants you to believe. He wants you to believe that you are a victim, and nothing is your fault. Your drinking the kool-aid brother.

I don't think you get it. White liberals serve a function I want them to function in revealing these racist cac thoughts and crimes. They SERVE me because that's what I want done anyway. If they didn't exist I'd just look else where for the same thing. You should undestand that I and many others don't give a fukk about fake white victimization and I'll take a black issue whereever I can get it.

 

[godkiller]

I don't really care tho, this issue of equating the black agenda with liberals is a mistake, if an individual wants to be a liberal or anything else it's fine, but this whole notion of using support of liberalism as a litmus test is an economic and intellectual dead end

And nobody has ever answered the question of what solutions or ideas they have that don't involve white people, if that is not evidence of intellectual stagnation I don't know what is

Equating the black agenda with conservatism is also a mistake. The solution is not to say 1) blacks can't run cities and 2) to defend whites at all costs. I want constructive and productive criticism, not inflammatory gotchas. if this is the end-all-be-all of your discourse then there's no point having it. If I ran this or any country, c00ns would be hanged on the regular. Free speech only goes so far before it becomes hate speech and that's your ass. Not about this heresy

 

[theworldismine13]

There are underlying issues that need to be addressed before even getting to this point....I know this type of rhetoric sounds good and we do need to educate our own, but there are things we gotta to do before we even get to this point......

A community is where you control the financial institutions, government, jobs, school board, and police dept....I don't think we have that here in America......We will not see a school dedicated to teaching black kids at a high level without outside assistance....

Yeah, at last you admit it that you do not have any real ideas that don't involve white people doing something

This is the intellectual and economic dead end I was referring to, thanks for the example

 

[bigDeeOT]

So the reason blacks have been discriminated against for 200 years is "unintelllectualism"? What about all the whites who couldn't read 150 years ago? What about the average white back then was intellectual?

Funny how people keep ignoring what I write. I already said there are racists people who are racists for no other reason than the color of a black man's skin or the fact that he's black.

Blacks get discriminated against in Europe too, in places like Spain, Italy, etc, and oftentimes the blacks are more educated than the whites on average.

People of dark skin get discriminated against in EVERY country in the entire world. So I see your point there. But here is my point. Beyond the fact that some people are racists just because they want to be, there are also some people that are racist because of what they see a large majority of a population doing. If you look at blacks, lets say only 20% of them are bad and 80% of them are good. Well the white man sees that 20%, and they make generalizations about black people. But guess what, it doesn't end there! The other 80% of black people EMBRACE the culture of the thugs on the street. The music and entertainment black people love is basically an advertisement to the world that says LOOK everyone, this is what it means to be a black person.

You keep on with this assertion than there is some kind of justification for white racism--despite the hypocrisy and ethnocentricity--when there isn't.

I am not trying to provide a justification for it, but rather I'm saying there are two people to blame for the reason why some white people are racists.
1. They are to blame because they don't understand that you have to treat people like individuals instead of assuming everyone in a group acts the same way.
2. Black people are partially to blame because they are the ones who created the stereotypes in the first place. Not only is the stereotypes of black people perpetuated by the on going crimes and out of wedlock pregnancy rate you see all the time, but the rest of the black community EMBRACES this degenerate culture. I don't EVER see any black leaders denouncing this kind of buffoonery and when they do, they're suddenly an uncle tom.

 

[Insensitive]

I don't really care tho, this issue of equating the black agenda with liberals is a mistake, if an individual wants to be a liberal or anything else it's fine, but this whole notion of using support of liberalism as a litmus test is an economic and intellectual dead end

And nobody has ever answered the question of what solutions or ideas they have that don't involve white people, if that is not evidence of intellectual stagnation I don't know what is

Oh right.
So instead of equating the black agenda to
"White liberals" you go over to the far right
and equate the "Black Agenda"
to White Neo-Nazi's.
Because that's better right ?

Going by your (terrible) logic blacks are all a bunch of brainwashed idiots
either way because we're still following "White" views
in either scenario.

Your statistics are wrong as hell. This is why a conversation with you is futile, the original information you are starting with is so flawed that any type of conversation fails before it can get anywhere.

This clown @bigDeeOT is quoting
statistics from VanguardNewsNetWork and st0rmfr0nt
and he expects us to take him seriously


I'm sitting here from this shyt.

 

[bigDeeOT]

Affirmative action is just white people getting mad. Anything individually affects any group--a country, a city, a neighborhood--is a form of "affirmative action". So trade is a form of "affirmative action" for America.

That doesn't make any sense dude I think you need to clarify yourself because I don't know what you're talking about. Give an example of what you mean.

Anyway, AA doesn't affect the average white person

I agree, it doesn't. But only because not enough blacks are taking advantage of the opportunities given to them. There's not enough blacks going to school in the first place.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Yeah, at last you admit it that you do not have any real ideas that don't involve white people doing something

This is the intellectual and economic dead end I was referring to, thanks for the example

Are you having a stroke.....?


How did you come to that conclusion.....?

In all honesty, I wasn't even thinking about white folks helping......I'm along the lines of Global Pan Africanism and was referring to political shakers(with that gwap) of African ancestry from other countries to invest in the most untapped human resource in the world, which is the African American....

But you too short sighted and slow to see that.....You just "assumed" I was talking about white folks, and didn't even care to discuss the obstacles entailed with starting a school like this........You aint really built for a movement anyway so I don't even know why I bother....

 

[bigDeeOT]

The argument is over. You sound like that c00n Larry Elder. You don't believe black people worth shyt. That's OK.

Why is larry elder a c00n? Because he makes legitimate criticisms of the black community that you can NOT deconstruct?! That's what every black person thinks. If you criticize the black community, you're a c00n.

And if you want to prove me wrong, provide me with even ONE example of someone who criticizes the black community who isn't seen as a c00n or a sell out. I arrest my case.

 

[theworldismine13]

Equating the black agenda with conservatism is also a mistake. The solution is not to say 1) blacks can't run cities and 2) to defend whites at all costs. I want constructive and productive criticism, not inflammatory gotchas. if this is the end-all-be-all of your discourse then there's no point having it. If I ran this or any country, c00ns would be hanged on the regular. Free speech only goes so far before it becomes hate speech and that's your ass. Not about this heresy

I'm not a conservative

I never said black people can't run cities, I sad the opposite, I pointed out that almost all black run cities are shytholes and that black people will and can fix them

I have never defended white people, I simply said that white people can do whatever the fuk they want to do, my destiny and black people's destiny is not dependent on what white people do

We do have positive and constructive criticism that is what the OP was about, black people sitting around discussing the intellectual state of the lack race and how WE, emphasis on WE, can improve it

There is no end all to my discourse, I believe in intellectual freedom and to having free open conversations without resorting to name calling, I think all opinions should be welcomed and the exchange of ideas with the best ideas rising to the top is the goal

I believe in individual freedom so nothing is gonna happen to anybody for exercising their right to free speech if I have anything to say about it

 

[Serious]

You can look at me cross-eyed all you want. If at the end of the day you have nothing of actually substance against my argument, then what I say stands.

I want to clarify myself here. I am a young black male and I am proud to be black. But part of my love for the black community has to involve criticizing black america so we get out of the mess we're in. Some people like yourself would like to believe any time someone criticizes the black community they're a sell out. That kind of mentality has been going on since day one of the creation of the welfare state, and within the last 50 years where has it got us? Absolutely no where. Black america was in a better position in the 40s and 50s when the KKK and jim crow were in full blown effect lynching people on the streets.

So that smiley you posted, of some dumbass rapper/athlete/entertainer looking confused represents the epitome of black america today and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for posting it.

Again, it appears that no one here is willing to actually debate me. My arguments cannot be deconstructed.

TBH your whole argument has been nothing but a sea of generalizations like all black people are scrubs, thugs, and unproductive members of society. Most black people I know are hard working cats regardless of their education or situational status. As it stands the economy isn't in a favorable position regardless of ones educational attainment. At the end of the day there's only one faction of society that reign supreme through any economic hardship; and that's understanding laws of supply and demand. While I'm not against brothers and sisters pursuing the ropes of higher education, seeing another avenue of success, whether it be through owning businesses or committing to a trade, can not be denoted as anything less than a worthy title. Especially seeing as the contemporary system of achieving higher learning education revolves around hustling backwards(taking out a loan) just to move forward, which still might not pan out in the end. What's the difference between someone developing a business plan that requires an initial investment of 20-50k from investors, and taking a loan out loan from the bank for 20k-100k to go to school?

Also you seem to systematically ignore the facts of how blacks are targeted at a higher rate for certain crimes than people from other races.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/17/racial-disparity-drug-use_n_3941346.html
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/21/ethnic-minorities-likely-charged-drug-possession

Race is still very much sohh a problem breh

 

[Insensitive]

Why is larry elder a c00n? Because he makes legitimate criticisms of the black community that you can NOT deconstruct?! That's what every black person thinks. If you criticize the black community, you're a c00n.

And if you want to prove me wrong, provide me with even ONE example of someone who criticizes the black community who isn't seen as a c00n or a sell out. I arrest my case.

No.
We clearly don't have an issue with discussing problems
plaguing the black community.
It's when you start saying bullshyt that's exactly in line with the
thinking of a white supremacist that you start getting called
out.

It's funny because you want to act like from the 70's on
America just become some egalitarian state and Blacks/Hispanics/Asians/Women
and folks in the LGBT community were no longer being treated unfairly.

You can't even criticize yourself or accept any criticisms of your viewpoint
without ironically playing the victim card.
It's fukking hilarious yet sad to see at the same time.