Hip Hop was the 1st time in America where stereotypes of Blackfolks were self inflicted

[H. Selassie]

A lot of harsh, yet necessary, realities being spoken in this thread

 

[Concerning VIolence]

Cacs called Jazz devil music and anti-social and criminal.

Blaxploitation movies
Rudy Ray Moore
Redd Foxx
Donald Goines
Iceberg Slim/Robert Beck
Funk was the original soundtrack to gang culture.
Gang culture existed before hip hop
Murder rates were in the 1000s in major cities like Chicago and NYC
/thread.

 

[BrothaZay]

Rap music just reflected the changing culture. Black america in the 80s and 90s was different than the 60s and 70s. Probably the biggest change it ever seen in a short period.

 

[MrFettuccinnePockets]

This is exactly the problem yall

Everyone cares about and protects their image except us

K

 

[PhonZhi]

But again its nikkas fault right? We gotsta do better.

Are u aware of who ultimately CONTROLS hiphop? Not us. And thats exactly why most of the music promotes negativity. When THEY saw how influential and powerful the new genre called "hiphop" had become, thats when they took control of it and started manipulating it to THEIR benefit.

To control a mass group of people you must gain control of their MINDS. This has been going on since the slave days. Psychological manipulation was a HUGE reason the white man was able to remain in control of slaves for so long. Even in 2016, the black race is in a psychological war

Hiphop culture is helping to keep us in a "slavelike" mindset.

 

[CriticalThought]

Cry about hip hop and pretend it's the beginning of social ills. Funny part is millions of people listened to it growing up. Did the majority sell drugs? Join gangs? Shoot people? Or did they enjoy it as entertainment that most people understand it to be? It's like blaming Pesci, DeNiro and Pacino for cosa nostra even though it existed before motion pictures and them. Even if there was never the music, gangs would have still existed, drugs would be around and sold, and crime would still be going on.

People want to blame everything, and everybody except the weak people who emulated it. Millions of people of grew up listening to the music are they all in jail or dead now? Not even close. If it was even half responsible for the societal ills as hypocrites love to stand on a soap box and say it is, then the entire world would have collapsed by now....but it hasn't after decades of "dangerous music". That should tell you something.

 

[smokeurobinson]

Blaxploitation movies
Rudy Ray Moore
Redd Foxx
Donald Goines
Iceberg Slim/Robert Beck
Funk was the original soundtrack to gang culture.
Gang culture existed before hip hop
Murder rates were in the 1000s in major cities like Chicago and NYC
/thread.

- Why didnt you acknowledge that a good portion of Blaxploitation movies were made by whites?? Do u really think a Black man made The Mack??



- Have u heard Redd Foxxs earliest material?? Dude was doing rated PG material that they labled Triple X back in the day. The same with Moms Mabely. Also...U failed to acknowledge that Redd Foxx was secluded to adults....U didnt hear Redd Foxx all on the radio and on your TVs like that...You had to go to Redd Foxx.


- Donald Goines and Iceberg Slim wrote ghetto novels were the stories usually have a lesson against being in the streets not really about glamorizing. Now u reaching.


- Funk was the original soundtrack to gang culture?? Yeah because I'm sure when James Brown was saying "say it loud I'm Black and I'm proud" he wanted to the Pirus to respond by saying "Suuuuwoooo"





- Dude....Afrikka Bambatta flipped what he was doing with the gangs and turned them into partys and functions. And why would u say gangs as if only relates to Blacks and act as if there arent white and Latino gangs in America?? Or do you just think "black" when you think of a gang??




- OK now when you are talking about "Murder rates across the country" thats a whole different topic.

 

[Poitier]

Blaxploitation movies
Rudy Ray Moore
Redd Foxx
Donald Goines
Iceberg Slim/Robert Beck
Funk was the original soundtrack to gang culture.
Gang culture existed before hip hop
Murder rates were in the 1000s in major cities like Chicago and NYC
/thread.

Blues was called the devils music, as was Jazz. Disco was sex and drugs.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

What you've just stated isn't really true at all.

When Jazz was the "in" thing...Blackmen wore suits, hell you couldnt even get in a Jazz club without a suit.

Alot of middle class black people looked down on Jazz before it became "art" music.

All the way up to 70's R&B we sang about love and Blackmen dressed like grown men, they even had a term for it, "Dressing /looking sharp." When Superfly (which was directed by a Black man) came out it was countered by a soundtrack denouning drug dealing and drug using. Minstrel shows where out of our control...The way the news and Hollywood portrayed us was out of our control.



But Hip Hop was in our control and look at where we took in since the emergence of gangster/drug dealer rap in the early 90's.

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Blaxploitation movies were the first to glorify gangsta culture, pimping and rugs on a mainstream level with the images on TV.,not Gangsta Rap which came almost 20 years later. That's why the NAACP was against them...

Stereotypes

The genre's role in exploring and shaping race relations in the US has been controversial. Some held that the Blaxploitation trend was a token of black empowerment,[6] but others accused the movies of perpetuating common white stereotypes about black people. As a result, many called for the end of the genre. The NAACP, Southern Christian Leadership Conference, and National Urban League joined to form the Coalition Against Blaxploitation. Their influence in the late 1970s contributed to the genre's demise. Thought leader Addison Gayle wrote in 1974, “The best example of this kind of nihilism / irresponsibility are the Black films; here is freedom pushed to its most ridiculous limits; here are writers and actors who claim that freedom for the artist entails exploitation of the very people to whom they owe their artistic existence.”[7]

Blaxploitation films such as Mandingo (1975) provided mainstream Hollywood producers, in this case Dino De Laurentiis, a cinematic way to depict plantation slavery with all of its brutal, historical and ongoing racial contradictions and controversies, including sex, miscegenation, rebellion and so on. The story world also depicts the plantation as one of the main origins of boxing as a sport in the U.S. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, a new wave of acclaimed black filmmakers, particularly Spike Lee (Do the Right Thing) and John Singleton (Boyz n the Hood) focused on black urban life in their movies. These directors made use of Blaxploitation elements while incorporating implicit criticism of the genre's glorification of stereotypical "criminal" behavior.

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[smokeurobinson]

What you've just stated isn't really true at all.



Alot of middle class black people looked down on Jazz before it became "art" music.

Blaxploitation movies were the first to glorify gangsta culture, pimping and rugs on a mainstream level with the images on TV.,not Gangsta Rap which came almost 20 years later. That's why the NAACP was against them...
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This isn't true. Before Hip Hop, there were blaxploixation films. You had films like The Mack

The Mack was made by a whiteman tho.

a lot of Blaxpliotation films were by whites..
Hence the title....self inflicted

 

[smokeurobinson]

Social Engineering.

You think the ghetto was created on a fluke? nikka this shyt was planned.


But again its nikkas fault right? We gotsta do better.

Thats an excusse homie....You could have used that excuse if all that negativity stayed in the 90's and the artform actually elevated to a new plane...But this sh*t has been stagnant since Speakerboxxx/Love Below when it comes to Hip Hop being at a creative zenith in the mainstream.

I cant just accept "social engineering" being an excuse for why rappers who are miollinares to still be promoting down trodden bullshyt to the masses. Millionares arent in the ghetto so that argument couldnt be used passed the 90's

 

[smokeurobinson]

"Hip Hop was the 1st time in America where stereotypes of Blackfolks were self inflicted"

OP makes some great points, but regarding the quoted title of this thread, I think the first time black people started to internalize stereotypes is when we took the n-word and claim it as our own. When people talk about that like it was some type of power move I always cringe. That was the lowest form of verbal abuse that the white man inflicted on our ancestors, and the LAST word a lot of them heard before they were killed. To take that and to incorporate it into our culture the way that we have I think has become so detrimental. Post integration is when it started to become most dangerous, and harmful to us. We now live in a time where white and black kids feel so comfortable around one another that the word gets thrown around like nothing. I would argue that, in terms of entertainment, hiphop music is a huge issue. I would also argue that the n-word, at this point, is THE issue. Again, I'm talking in terms of entertainment.

You make a good point. But lets be honest tho.....Right smack dab in the 80's Blacks collectively were still on some "should be embrace it or should we let it go" shyt. It was like a civil war. Malcolm X had denouned it...all the way to Richard Pryor denouncing it in the 80's....Richard actually had people thinking we were on our way to some sort of change...... Then Hip Hop changed N!ggers into N!ggaz(Thank you NWA and Tupac) and that civil war ended with both sides losing.

 

[jilla82]

So u dont believe in "media propaganda", a tactic of systemic opression thats been used for a century now, because you dont like the person talking about it? Wow

If i posted a vid of someone else explaining how "media propaganda" works, would that make a difference?

how is the propaganda used against Mexicans, Gays, White people, etc...?

Because im sure if you believe its used for blacks...its used for everybody right?
Or are billionaires only concerned w/ a small percentage of the population that has to effect on their lives?

 

[jilla82]

Social Engineering.

You think the ghetto was created on a fluke? nikka this shyt was planned.


But again its nikkas fault right? We gotsta do better.

who engineered the first American ghettos when it was all Italians, Jews, Irish and Polish white people?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

....Social Media is fast becoming the second but Hip Hop is the first..



- Black men bragging about killing other Blackmen

Originally in Blues music

- Black Men bragging about selling drugs in their community

Originally in Jazz

- Black men refering to Blackwomen as bytches and hoes

Blues, Jazz and R&B used other words that basically meant the same thing

- Blackwomen accepting being called a bytch and a ho(Prior to Hip Hop the only time a woman accepted this on an open level was if she was in the nightlife of the underworld)

see above

- Blackmen bragging about sleeping with other Blackmens wives

Jazz and 1940's/1950s R&B

- Blackmen making light of hurting/killing children

- Grown Blackmen dressing like teens and acting like teens

Jazz era with Zoot Suits

- Blackmen proudly speaking ignorant.

Jazz and 1940s R&B era had "Jive" which was the equivalent of modern day street/hiphop slang

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pre-HIp Hop street talk