Hip Hop was the 1st time in America where stereotypes of Blackfolks were self inflicted

[IllmaticDelta]

Cacs called Jazz devil music and anti-social and criminal.

Jazz is really the first music to popularize weed

 

[IllmaticDelta]

A lot of the criticisms about rap were the same criticisms they said about all other black genres. I'm sure I've read somewhere that white slave owners said the same thing about the early wave of africanized music the slaves brought over too. They banned or controlled it because they found out slaves could communicate to each other through it and then branded it as demonic and encouraging violent, rebelious and boistrous behaviour

FACTS!!

 

[call_me_step_daddy]

Op seem like the type thats quick to say "bu bu bu but what about black on black crime???!!"

Foh c00n

 

[Izanami]

A lot of great points from both sides. I would say since the emergence of Kanye West the reinforced stereotypes have decreased. Rappers have their own stories and have their own message they want to express. I mean this current new school of rappers are Kendrick, Drake, Cole, Wale, Big Sean. You still have your street shyt meek, French and ASAP but things on a mainstream level are much more balanced.

I can only speak for myself when I say it starts at home and that you can't use hip hop and other outside influence raise your kids. I bought MURDA Muzik when I was 13, my record squeaky clean.

 

[MJ Truth]

OP is on some other shyt with this garbage thread.

 

[NoChillJones]

....Social Media is fast becoming the second but Hip Hop is the first..

...and it all started when Gangster rap invaded the mainstream in 1993.

When Jazz was the "in" thing...Blackmen wore suits, hell you couldnt even get in a Jazz club without a suit. All the way up to 70's R&B we sang about love and Blackmen dressed like grown men, they even had a term for it, "Dressing /looking sharp." When Superfly (which was directed by a Black man) came out it was countered by a soundtrack denouning drug dealing and drug using. Minstrel shows where out of our control...The way the news and Hollywood portrayed us was out of our control.

But Hip Hop was in our control and look at where we took in since the emergence of gangster/drug dealer rap in the early 90's.

- Black men bragging about killing other Blackmen
- Black Men bragging about selling drugs in their community
- Black men refering to Blackwomen as bytches and hoes
- Blackwomen accepting being called a bytch and a ho(Prior to Hip Hop the only time a woman accepted this on an open level was if she was in the nightlife of the underworld)
- Blackmen bragging about sleeping with other Blackmens wives
- Blackmen making light of hurting/killing children
- Blackmen boasting of their financial status to an audience of people who aren't rich as if to shove it in their faces like snobs.
Blackmen condoning illegal activity and boasting after the illegal activity is complete
- Grown Blackmen dressing like teens and acting like teens
- Blackmen proudly speaking ignorant.


All of the above was self inflicted....No one outside of our race created these images...we(Hip Hop) did...Notice how I dont exclude myself because I cant. I am a contributing factor to all of this as well because I supported it for years, as with so many others. In the late 80's the music of NWA and 2 Live Crew were distributed independently...they weren't pushed by a "machine" so all that conspiracy theory nonsense goes right out the window. No one forces rappers to flash guns or speak on camera about beef with other Blackmen.(I remember Kid Capri saying he refused to ever talk about anyone he ever had beef with openly...Different times different era I guess)


My thing is this....Now that we are here and we are in so deep....what do we do to counter it all?? This self inflicted image has been in effect for around 23 years....Thats 23 years of damage that needs to be reversed and replaced with an alternative...But how the hell is that going to happen? In all of Americas history we never experienced this type of self inflicted damage.

Even slaves were considered incompetent and lazy. Think about that.

The thug American rapper is a by product of Americas lust for crime and violence. Its not a black thing.Its entertainment and it sells because Americans love it. No different then Hollywood. Rap is the perhaps the most definitive example of musical expression thats ever existed..... perhaps its also the most influential. But it has nothimg to do with how people see us. They even tried to treat Obama as a boy instead of the recognized leader of the free world. Their racism has nothing to do with us. We build they destroy, we attempt to rise as a people they stop at nothing to tear us down. Dont you understand this? They hate us period. It doesnt matter if we are some piece of shyt rapper or the POTUS. We still ******s in their eyes. You got to understand the ignorance as well as the arrogance. We dont create stereotypes... They do.... and they stigmatize and instill these stereotypes into the minds of all of us. To the point you think your the problem. Thats its us that makes them hate us..... As if they ever needed a reason.

 

[Farrinto]

C Deleroes Tucker is owed an apology by Hiphop, she was right.

Yeah, I never felt people shytting on her.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Blues was called the devils music, as was Jazz. Disco was sex and drugs.

don't forget what they (racist whites and middle class blacks) said about ragtime music

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[Fani Willis fan]

you can find good and bad in every community/culture group, and thats what hip hop is. A culture

 

[Fani Willis fan]

A lot of the criticisms about rap were the same criticisms they said about all other black genres. I'm sure I've read somewhere that white slave owners said the same thing about the early wave of africanized music the slaves brought over too. They banned or controlled it because they found out slaves could communicate to each other through it and then branded it as demonic and encouraging violent, rebelious and boistrous behaviour

its funny cus white people appropriated our genres like rock and roll and incorporated demonic aesthetics into it, when it was pure when we had it

 

[MrPentatonic]

Good history lessons in this thread

 

[PhonZhi]

how is the propaganda used against Mexicans, Gays, White people, etc...?

Because im sure if you believe its used for blacks...its used for everybody right?
Or are billionaires only concerned w/ a small percentage of the population that has to effect on their lives?

So are u saying that there ISNT a concentrated effort to keep the black race as 2nd class citizens? Are u NOT aware of all the tactics that has been used throughout history against the black race to keep us oppressed?

For goodness sakes, did u not read this thread? :

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/npr-...and-caused-urban-economic-disparities.415105/

Everything down to the design of highways have been used to oppress us (physically AND mentally) and to destroy black communities. Why would you NOT think the most popular, powerful and influential artform on the planet would NOT be used also

Why do u think whites are so heavily invested in it?

 

[PhonZhi]

Bingo.

Thank you, and the tactics that were used way back in the slave days have evolved and are still happening today. Thanks for agreeing with me

 

[IllmaticDelta]

its funny cus white people appropriated our genres like rock and roll and incorporated demonic aesthetics into it, when it was pure when we had it

To be honest, there was always a darker side to the Blues that manifested itself into Rock.










..of course whites took it elsewhere

 

[PhonZhi]

A lot of the criticisms about rap were the same criticisms they said about all other black genres. I'm sure I've read somewhere that white slave owners said the same thing about the early wave of africanized music the slaves brought over too. They banned or controlled it because they found out slaves could communicate to each other through it and then branded it as demonic and encouraging violent, rebelious and boistrous behaviour

When utilized correctly, hiphop is one of the greatest tools on earth to uplift, motivate, inspire & educate the masses. Again, there is a specific reason why most of the mainstream rap promotes and glorifies destructive/criminal behaviour. Look who REALLY controls hiphop now. Flooding the airwaves with music that inspires and uplifts black people wouldnt benefit white supremacy

White supremacy thrives on our own self-hate, ignorance and materialism. Thats why the main overall theme of most mainstream rap is black on black violence, ignorance, materialism, drug use and gang lifestyle. Its by design.

Just like back in the slave days they didnt want the slaves educated and uplifted, the same is happening today still.