Hip Hop was the 1st time in America where stereotypes of Blackfolks were self inflicted

[Wild self]

1. Selling drugs being evil is subjective. To say otherwise is ignorance. Your saying that blacks shouldn't speak on what's going on in its history unless it comes from a perspective you see as "good"

2. Black culture is more than struggle. So is the music.

3. Selling crack is a very small portion of black music.

2 and 3 are actually my points. Thank you very much.

1 is about the responsibility of your words and actions. Those artists I name dropped knew the good and bad of doing things, and they wanted to give people a heads-up. Cause what generational wealth came from the drug game? What person has an IRA account for retiring of the drug game?

 

[Juneya]

So you dont a problem with the c00ning and reinforced stereotypes of hip hop?

No. That's not real. That is smart dumb nikka c00n shyt.
"c00ning and reinforced stereotypes in hip hop" theory is a result of criminalization and self hate

 

[Juneya]

2 and 3 are actually my points. Thank you very much.

1 is about the responsibility of your words and actions. Those artists I name dropped knew the good and bad of doing things, and they wanted to give people a heads-up. Cause what generational wealth came from the drug game? What person has an IRA account for retiring of the drug game?

Every artist talks about good and bad in their music. Every single one. And, because of the oral tradition that is our culture, it is the responsibility of arts to express their feelings and art in real time. That's it. The rest is your personal and subjective opinion.

It's not about the monetary benefits of the moment. It's about chronicling culture and your art, in your moment. Without rap music, you would only have the written white perspective of gang culture in the 90's. And you would think every gang banger is an animal.

 

[Wild self]

Every artist talks about good and bad in their music. Every single one. And, because of the oral tradition that is our culture, it is the responsibility of arts to express their feelings and art in real time. That's it. The rest is your personal and subjective opinion.

It's not about the monetary benefits of the moment. It's about chronicling culture and your art, in your moment. Without rap music, you would only have the written white perspective of gang culture in the 90's. And you would think every gang banger is an animal.

We went the route of the hustler tale these last 26 years, another Public Enemy or X Clan ain't gonna hurt the oral tradition of black music. And to think, we stagnated in every way these last 10 years and people refuse to become leaders of change. Everyone conforming to one another is what makes people on top of rampant glorification of negativity.

In the Trump era, we need more pro black community groups like PE and De LA Soul, to put racism in perspective. Cause the route we in, it's very easy to infiltrate and destroy us in the super-simple mindset of "stop hating and get money" when we don't build anything for the next generation.

 

[Juneya]

We went the route of the hustler tale these last 26 years, another Public Enemy or X Clan ain't gonna hurt the oral tradition of black music. And to think, we stagnated in every way these last 10 years and people refuse to become leaders of change. Everyone conforming to one another is what makes people on top of rampant glorification of negativity.

In the Trump era, we need more pro black community groups like PE and De LA Soul, to put racism in perspective. Cause the route we in, it's very easy to infiltrate and destroy us in the super-simple mindset of "stop hating and get money" when we don't build anything for the next generation.

We didn't not stagnate in every way, again that is your opinion. The narrative that was commercialized was the narrative of drugs and drug dealers. Because that was what was happening at the moment, making it unique not only to our overall oral history, but it was also an unique product that complimented the rapid change in technology.

Drug dealers narrated at a high rate, because they had the money. they made the party's fun, since the New York hip hop Coke era to today... and they had the latest lingo and styles in their music. Because of their job.

It's not glorification of negativity bruh, it's only even seen as negativity when you look at it through criminalized black culture hating white law loving eyes.

 

[Wild self]

We didn't not stagnate in every way, again that is your opinion. The narrative that was commercialized was the narrative of drugs and drug dealers. Because that was what was happening at the moment, making it unique not only to our overall oral history, but it was also an unique product that complimented the rapid change in technology.

Drug dealers narrated at a high rate, because they had the money. they made the party's fun, since the New York hip hop Coke era to today... and they had the latest lingo and styles in their music. Because of their job.

It's not glorification of negativity bruh, it's only even seen as negativity when you look at it through criminalized black culture hating white law loving eyes.

But what society can be built off of drug dealing alone? Where are the intellectuals of the black community? So having "fun" supercedes everything else?

You can't overthrow white supremacy off of selling drugs to your own people. And you certainly can't call the black artists that refuse to do dirt and choose to enlighten black folk as less than credible to the masses.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I already stated that this is where u and I disagree. again u never answered who made the rule about Blacks having to wear Blackface in front of a Black audience?u still haven't answered.

I been answered that question, black people did that willingly....black people didn't have to "black up" at shows with black audiences and at black venues

U know why because its the same reason why u never answered the question as to where was the Ice Cube cave bytch song shytting on white women or the Ice t Cop Killer song during the Minstrel show era?

there were pro-black cause type minstrel songs penned by black writers

Or The Public Enemy songs about oppression?? There was none. and why was that?

see above post

Because white platforms dictated the rules during the Minstrel Show era thats why u look foolish comparing it to Hip Hop. Your own article stated that the rules were that Blacks had to perform in front of Blacks in blackface. Thats what your article stated. Thats white controlled shyt and u comparing that to a Black artform that was made in the hood for the hood.

stop it

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also.Gotham-Attuckswas some white people shyt.

he performed it, therefore validating it

 

[Self_Born7]

That made many record execs lose sleep at night in the late 80s. Imagine black folk abandoning dysfunctional behaviors and embrace being dignified and disciplined like Malcolm X?

imagine if Jay Z didnt run and tell massa, that those field negros was starting trouble, talking about starting their own distribution deal.

 

[Self_Born7]

OP's point about rap is wrong and has been disproven with many examples with the most obvious being Blaxploitation films which predated Gangsta Rap by almost 20 years

bruh, which book is this from, I would love to get my hands on this.... it looks familiar,,,

 

[smokeurobinson]

I been answered that question, black people did that willingly....black people didn't have to "black up" at shows with black audiences and at black venues

No.


Your articles keep pointing to Blacks acting like "clowns" or "c00ning" as a means of "survival."

Like I said..Thats some white people controlled shyt. The times forced Blacks to be clowns on entertainment platforms. I cant compare Black people who are free in the Hip Hop era to those during the Minstrel Show era. You say you can compare them I say u cant.

You keep saying "Oh, no one put a gun to their head...
No...it woulda been a noose around the neck if u dont play part and act subordinate. Massas spies are all over u better act like a clown. And if u even dare start talking that Marcus Garvey/Malcolm X/Black Panther shyt we'll hang u , skin u and burn u alive.

Yeah..u gonna compare those times to times of freedom were Taxstone and Troy Ave beef in a venue, guns get fired and someone is killed.

there were pro-black cause type minstrel songs penned by black writers

That info on Old Aunt Jamamia was cool.


There's just some parts that were left out;

Often "Old Aunt Jemima" would be sung while a man in drag playing the part of Aunt Jemima performed on stage. It was not uncommon for the Aunt Jemima character to be played by a white man in blackface




you said;

there were pro-black cause type minstrel songs penned by black writers


How dare you use a song that white people sang while dressed in drag like trannys and compare that to Public Enemy, Poor Righteous Teachers or Ice Cube





I already pointed out a song like "Go Down Moses"

was a great example of a Public Enemy song during that time....Not some gay ass Aunt Jamimia...."Go Down Moses" was actually used in the Civil War as an anthem for "our side." Hell, thats on a level Public Enemy cant really fukk with.

 

[jackson35]

how many people who truly love hip hop holds that era as a epic era? you are simply looking to argue

 

[Big Boss]

@smokeurobinson classic thread

 

[Man On Fire]

....Social Media is fast becoming the second but Hip Hop is the first..

...and it all started when Gangster rap invaded the mainstream in 1993.

When Jazz was the "in" thing...Blackmen wore suits, hell you couldnt even get in a Jazz club without a suit. All the way up to 70's R&B we sang about love and Blackmen dressed like grown men, they even had a term for it, "Dressing /looking sharp." When Superfly (which was directed by a Black man) came out it was countered by a soundtrack denouning drug dealing and drug using. Minstrel shows where out of our control...The way the news and Hollywood portrayed us was out of our control.

But Hip Hop was in our control and look at where we took in since the emergence of gangster/drug dealer rap in the early 90's.

- Black men bragging about killing other Blackmen
- Black Men bragging about selling drugs in their community
- Black men refering to Blackwomen as bytches and hoes
- Blackwomen accepting being called a bytch and a ho(Prior to Hip Hop the only time a woman accepted this on an open level was if she was in the nightlife of the underworld)
- Blackmen bragging about sleeping with other Blackmens wives
- Blackmen making light of hurting/killing children
- Blackmen boasting of their financial status to an audience of people who aren't rich as if to shove it in their faces like snobs.
Blackmen condoning illegal activity and boasting after the illegal activity is complete
- Grown Blackmen dressing like teens and acting like teens
- Blackmen proudly speaking ignorant.


All of the above was self inflicted....No one outside of our race created these images...we(Hip Hop) did...Notice how I dont exclude myself because I cant. I am a contributing factor to all of this as well because I supported it for years, as with so many others. In the late 80's the music of NWA and 2 Live Crew were distributed independently...they weren't pushed by a "machine" so all that conspiracy theory nonsense goes right out the window. No one forces rappers to flash guns or speak on camera about beef with other Blackmen.(I remember Kid Capri saying he refused to ever talk about anyone he ever had beef with openly...Different times different era I guess)


My thing is this....Now that we are here and we are in so deep....what do we do to counter it all?? This self inflicted image has been in effect for around 23 years....Thats 23 years of damage that needs to be reversed and replaced with an alternative...But how the hell is that going to happen? In all of Americas history we never experienced this type of self inflicted damage.

This album right here is a classic but really set off the EAST COAST gangsta rap era. Great Album

 

[smokeurobinson]

This album right here is a classic but really set off the EAST COAST gangsta rap era. Great Album

LOL @ Train Robbery.....How u just gonna mouth rape a female Ghetto Gaggers style while in the middle of robbing a train?




I put a slug inside the tire/
They ran into a tall-ass wall, now it's great balls of fire




G Raps verbal visuals were genius.

 

[Man On Fire]

LOL @ Train Robbery.....How u just gonna mouth rape a female Ghetto Gaggers style while in the middle of robbing a train?




I put a slug inside the tire/
They ran into a tall-ass wall, now it's great balls of fire




G Raps verbal visuals were genius.

He's simply the greatest breh