Hip Hop was the 1st time in America where stereotypes of Blackfolks were self inflicted

[smokeurobinson]

no flip flopping on my part



dog, the movie was based on Sonny's own account of his life and experiences

You are flip flopping



its you(not me) who posted the movie as an example of Blaxploitation and the movie was put together by a white man. This is u destroying your argument with your own evidence again. Do you wanna use the Sonny Carson movie as an example of Blaxploitation or not? If so then we have to acknowledge the white director. If we acknowledging the autobio then that dismisses The Blaxploitation aspect of the video clips that u posted.

You flip flopping from one thing to the next.

Are we talking about the white directed movie which is blaxploitation and what u started off with

or are we talking about the autobio which is you changing the subject yet again to talk about something else because the autobio doesnt involve a whitemans visual foresite to be labled Blaxploitation(which u posted as an example of Blaxploitation)

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Arguing that white people were pulling the strings for the blaxplotation films is no different than Jimmy Iovine pulling the strings for Interscope....

G-Funk is very much influenced by Blaxplotation movies and the music used in the movies. The number of samples as well. This guy sums it up a bit better than I can...

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You are flip flopping



its you(not me) who posted the movie as an example of Blaxploitation and the movie was put together by a white man. This is u destroying your argument with your own evidence again.

no it's not. I already stated it doesn't matter who directed or even wrote the film if you choose to participate in it and to some/many people, are validating stereotypes

Do you wanna use the Sonny Carson movie as an example of Blaxploitation or not? If so then we have to acknowledge the white director. If we acknowledging the autobio then that dismisses The Blaxploitation aspect of the video clips that u posted.

the movie is/was a blaxploitation movie and one that just so happened to be based on a black mans own account of his life

You flip flopping from one thing to the next.

Are we talking about the white directed movie which is blaxploitation and what u started off with

or are we talking about the autobio which is you changing the subject yet again to talk about something else because the autobio doesnt involve a whitemans visual foresite to be labled Blaxploitation(which u posted as an example of Blaxploitation)

see my last post

Well hold on there...U used The Sonny Carson movie.....well thats a a bad example because that movie was made by the same guy I already posted.

Try again homie....Your example was terrible.

 

[smokeurobinson]

no it's not. I already stated it doesn't matter who directed or even wrote the film if you choose to participate in it and to some/many people, are validating stereotypes

and thats where we disagree.

Like I said Hip hop was made by Blacks for Blacks....I say u cant compare something made by Blacks for Blacks to something with a whitemans input. Yet you say otherwise. We'll just agree to disagree.

 

[smokeurobinson]

Arguing that white people were pulling the strings for the blaxplotation films is no different than Jimmy Iovine pulling the strings for Interscope....

was Jimmy Iovine at those 70's block parties in the Bronx dictating the image of what Hip Hop would be?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

and thats where we disagree.

Like I said Hip hop was made by Blacks for Blacks....I say u cant compare something made by Blacks for Blacks to something with a whitemans input. Yet you say otherwise. We'll just agree to disagree.

if a white man makes a script full of bufoonery/c00ning and you act it out for them, it's your faultNow, if a black person makes that same script and you act it out, you might be able to sleep better at night about it but at the end of the day, it's the same thing from an naysayers/outsiders view.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

was Jimmy Iovine at those 70's block parties in the Bronx dictating the image of what Hip Hop would be?

You can't jump around in your own time line. You are blaming gangsta rap and what came out of the 90s, Jimmy Iovine is the one who got the mass distribution, he is the one who selected which songs/albums got made, prior to getting on Interscope Snoop Dogg used to kick freestyles as Snoopy while selling dime bags to white girls.

If you want to go before Jimmy, it was Jerry Heller. Heller was the studio, Eazy E was the director and Dr Dre was the actor. All willing participants. All showing signs of the influence of those who came before them.

The Chronic is basically a blaxplotation soundtrack updated for Los Angeles in the 90s. If there was a Superfly type movie that represented 90s Los Angeles, The Chronic would be the music for the entire movie.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

The Chronic is basically a blaxplotation soundtrack updated for Los Angeles in the 90s. If there was a Superfly type movie that represented 90s Los Angeles, The Chronic would be the music for the entire movie.

the links between the gfunk/gangsta rap and blaxploitation movies are undeniable

 

[smokeurobinson]

You can't jump around in your own time line. You are blaming gangsta rap and what came out of the 90s, Jimmy Iovine is the one who got the mass distribution, he is the one who selected which songs/albums got made, prior to getting on Interscope Snoop Dogg used to kick freestyles as Snoopy while selling dime bags to white girls.

If you want to go before Jimmy, it was Jerry Heller. Heller was the studio, Eazy E was the director and Dr Dre was the actor. All willing participants. All showing signs of the influence of those who came before them.

The Chronic is basically a blaxplotation soundtrack updated for Los Angeles in the 90s. If there was a Superfly type movie that represented 90s Los Angeles, The Chronic would be the music for the entire movie.

U r full of shyt for 2 reasons

1. That bullshyt story u just did with NWA and Snoop doesnt relate to 2 Live Crew, Too Short, Ice T, Geto Boys or DJ Quik.





2. You dont know Black music history. Superfly sndtrk was what was related to the movie musically....This is why u look foolish even trying to relate that specific Blacxploitation movie with Hip Hop because the Superfly movie and SNdtrk were unique........They went together in a special way....U picked the wrong movie as an example....U cant just relate that to Hip Hop like u trying to do.

The SuperFly sndtrk was Ghetto CNN....More of a Death Certificate then The Chronic which was more on the wreckless side. I cant take u serious comparing The Chronic to no damn Superfly. The Superfly movie was about a drug dealer trying to leave the game...Superfly sndtrk was about why Drug Dealing was not a good look and u trying to compare that to NWA who made songs about killing hookers, fukking men with broomsticks and running a train on a 14 year old?


How dare you

 

[smokeurobinson]

the links between the gfunk/gangsta rap and blaxploitation movies are undeniable

Since these links are so undeniable....Show me 2 big Blaxploitation directors or actors who had beef with both of them ending up dead while in the midst of the beef like we saw with Hip Hop.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

U r full of shyt for 2 reasons

1. That bullshyt story u just did with NWA and Snoop doesnt relate to 2 Live Crew, Too Short, Ice T, Geto Boys or DJ Quik.

Call someone full of shyt and then get proven to be talking out of your ass...the irony Since you want to be a little dikk head about it here is two tablespoons of YOU ARE WRONG.

You have this problem with talking when you don't really know what you are talking about. You don't even know Quik's catalog but want to speak like you are you just threw names out there hoping they would stick.

Quik was producing using Funk based samples and songs popularized in those sound tracks/movies, in fact he samples Rose Royce, who produced sound tracks for blaxplotation films/soundtracks on "Sweet Black p*ssy" and two other records. So to say he isn't aware or influenced by those movies, even though that's where he got the samples from, is assinine at best.

2 live crew has fukking Dolemite on one of their songs

Geto Boys sampled Superfly on "Do It Like Go"

There is SO many references to those movies either in interviews, songs and what not when it comes to music you don't know very well (westcoast music). The influence is there, directly. A guy basically posted the Blaxplotation video for Doggy Dogg World and you glossed over it like it didn't happen.

2. You dont know Black music history. Superfly sndtrk was what was related to the movie musically....This is why u look foolish even trying to relate that specific Blacxploitation movie with Hip Hop because the Superfly movie and SNdtrk were unique........They went together in a special way....U picked the wrong movie as an example....U cant just relate that to Hip Hop like u trying to do.

I picked Superfly because it is cited by multiple rappers as influence. Snoop has cited it, Superfly is playing at the start of Ready To Die, it is sampled and referenced MANY times

The SuperFly sndtrk was Ghetto CNN....More of a Death Certificate then The Chronic which was more on the wreckless side. I cant take u serious comparing The Chronic to no damn Superfly. The Superfly movie was about a drug dealer trying to leave the game...Superfly sndtrk was about why Drug Dealing was not a good look and u trying to compare that to NWA who made songs about killing hookers, fukking men with broomsticks and running a train on a 14 year old?


How dare you

LOL @ you getting in a hissy fit on something YOU made up. No one said The Superfly sound track was like The Chronic unless it was a movie related to los angeles in the 90s , don't take what I said and create your own argument out of it so you can argue yourself I clearly stated that if there was a blaxpolotation film about 90s LA, that would be the sound track. Learn how to quote, you been posting on message boards for 15 years now. Death Certificate wasn't a heavy funk and soul album either. Where as the Chronic is entirely funk samples, just like the sound tracks were.

Clearly you don't understand what 'influence' is if you think that it has to be an exact carbon copy of something. That's like saying that Robert Plant didn't learn from black blues guitarists because his rock songs were not exactly the same as the blues

You are entirely too old to be acting like this but carry on...

 

[jackson35]

some body is being disingenuous, how come nobody cites the godfather, casino, goodfella, scarface,as being bad influence on black youth them hip hop?

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

some body is being disingenuous, how come nobody cites the godfather, casino, goodfella, scarface,as being bad influence on black youth them hip hop?

Because the topic is about it being self inflected or done by black people to other black people?

 

[jackson35]

Because the topic is about it being self inflected or done by black people to other black people?

inflicting what? most people who listen to hip hop knows this is a fantasy genre. we all know the llikes of ice cube, tupac, and the game don't live there lyrics

 

[smokeurobinson]

Call someone full of shyt and then get proven to be talking out of your ass...the irony Since you want to be a little dikk head about it here is two tablespoons of YOU ARE WRONG.

You have this problem with talking when you don't really know what you are talking about. You don't even know Quik's catalog but want to speak like you are you just threw names out there hoping they would stick.

Quik was producing using Funk based samples and songs popularized in those sound tracks/movies, in fact he samples Rose Royce, who produced sound tracks for blaxplotation films/soundtracks on "Sweet Black p*ssy" and two other records. So to say he isn't aware or influenced by those movies, even though that's where he got the samples from, is assinine at best.

2 live crew has fukking Dolemite on one of their songs

Geto Boys sampled Superfly on "Do It Like Go"

There is SO many references to those movies either in interviews, songs and what not when it comes to music you don't know very well (westcoast music). The influence is there, directly. A guy basically posted the Blaxplotation video for Doggy Dogg World and you glossed over it like it didn't happen.





I picked Superfly because it is cited by multiple rappers as influence. Snoop has cited it, Superfly is playing at the start of Ready To Die, it is sampled and referenced MANY times

SMH....I'm not talking about no damn samples fool. And I'm not talking about no influence. I'm talking about comparing what rappers do to whats in Blaxpoitation movies. 2live Crew, DJ Quik, Geto Boys, Too Short...all of them Black people who pushed negative music for their own kind independently. Thats the topic. You talking about some damn influence thats not what we talking about...Thats not the topic. If rappers were influenced then they wouldn't be rapping about being drug dealers cuz Priest wanted out the life.....If Rappers were influenced then that scene were Goldie gets mad at the kid for saying he wants to be like him would be real and rappers wouldn't promote pimping. Rappers do the opposite of these Blaxploitation movies fool. Which rapper is Blacula?





The topic is Hip Hop being the first time the stereotypes were self inflicted. Bring up any Blaxploitation movie and it doesnt compare to the evil that has come out of Hip Hop music. Geto Boys, DMX, NWA, Biggie.....all have said evil shyt beyond levels of anything in Blaxploitation movies.