Hip Hop was the 1st time in America where stereotypes of Blackfolks were self inflicted

[IllmaticDelta]

24 hours later. U still feel the same with ya hero destroying his own arguments with his own evidence

stop it. I've provided more than enough evidence of self inflicted stereotyping and here you are, trying to slither your way out by attempting to the rap music industry from from the overall american music industry while not doing the same with black vaudville/broadway from the white acting industry of the time.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

No...U cant compare them because they are different times. Just like how in Iceberg Slims book it was the 40's when he was screaming on his hoes and a cop car went by and he had to put on a sambo smile to keep things cool because thats how it was in that era. The survival tactics of the 30's and 40s with Jim Crow and "seperate but equal" are way different from the 90's and 2000's. Thats why Hip Hop makes it the first because the stereotypes was by Blacks for a black audience not a white audience even tho it spilled over to that.

LMAO @ this logic. yeah, let's not consider this self inflicted stereotyping

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You are right...No one put a gun to their heads to c00n. But who were they c00ning for? Were they c00ning for Black audiences or white audiences?? The topic is "self inflicting stereotypes" Hip Hop wasn't created for no damn white audience. Hip Hop wasn't created so white people can have Black people acting out stereotypical roles.

they c00ned/bufooned for both. as I already pointed out, there were black minstrels/actors who performed to/for entirely black audiences

Also, your article doesnt specify between Black and white Vaudeville/Broadway. Thats u reaching.

Im not reaching anyhwere...it's because I had a fuller grasp on the history than you

Black Vaudeville was based on performances that came out of the movement and style of African Americans. The vaudeville years were the early 1880s until the early 1930. These acts were unique on the vaudeville scene because the performers brought in different experience that the white performers could not convey. Although African-American performers were mistreated, a Vaudeville gig was better than being a maid or farm worker. Vaudeville had what they called circuits to keep the show business at the time organized. It was difficult for a black performer to be accepted into the white circuit due to the racial issues of the time. Eventually, black circuits were created to give black performers more opportunities. Black Vaudeville made it possible for African Americans to enjoy entertainment through their own heritage.

From the mid-1870s, as white blackface minstrelsy became increasingly lavish and moved away from "Negro subjects", black troupes took the opposite tack.[63] The popularity of the Fisk Jubilee Singers and other jubilee singers had demonstrated northern white interest in white religious music as sung by blacks, especially spirituals. Some jubilee troupes pitched themselves as quasi-minstrels and even incorporated minstrel songs; meanwhile, blackface troupes began to adopt first jubilee material and then a broader range of southern black religious material. Within a few years, the word "jubilee", originally used by the Fisk Jubilee Singers to set themselves apart from blackface minstrels and to emphasize the religious character of their music, became little more than a synonym for "plantation" material.[64] Where the jubilee singers tried to "clean up" Southern black religion for white consumption, blackface performers exaggerated its more exotic aspects.[65]


African-American blackface productions also contained buffoonery and comedy, by way of self-parody. In the early days of African-American involvement in theatrical performance, blacks could not perform without blackface makeup, regardless of how dark-skinned they were. The 1860s "colored" troupes violated this convention for a time: the comedy-oriented endmen "corked up", but the other performers "astonished" commentators by the diversity of their hues.[66] Still, their performances were largely in accord with established blackface stereotypes.[67]

These black performers became stars within the broad African-American community, but were largely ignored or condemned by the black bourgeoisie. James Monroe Trotter — a middle-class African American who had contempt for their "disgusting caricaturing" but admired their "highly musical culture"—wrote in 1882 that "few... who condemned black minstrels for giving 'aid and comfort to the enemy'" had ever seen them perform.[68] Unlike white audiences, black audiences presumably always recognized blackface performance as caricature, and took pleasure in seeing their own culture observed and reflected, much as they would half a century later in the performances of Moms Mabley.[69]

Jubilee tells it like it once was for black vaudeville performers

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There was some incredible talent in black vaudeville, including Louis Armstrong, Bessie Smith, Ma Rainey, Pigmeat Markham, Moms Mabley, Josephine Baker, Hattie McDaniel, Eubie Blake and Fats Waller. Few, however, successfully crossed over to white vaudeville. And when they did, their acts were often presented differently.

"A black performer might have had an act he did for both black audiences and white audiences," says Anne Healy, a member of the theater faculty at the University of Texas at Arlington. "But in front of a white audience, he might be doing it in front of a backdrop of a plantation or while dressed in tatters and rags."

But, on the whole, the content of the black vaudeville shows was similar to that found in white vaudeville -- including one pretty shocking overlap.

"If you were going to be successful you had to have four or five singers, an exotic dancer and a blackface comedian," says King, who is directing this sixth show at Jubilee.

Ironically, black vaudeville featured minstrel shows.

"There were white performers in black face and there were black performers in blackface. Toward the end of the era, you had white performers pretending to be blacks pretending to be black," says King.

And while it may seem strange to think of a black entertainer putting on blackface, for many working that circuit, it just came with the territory.

"Some black performers put the blackface on just as they would have put any stage makeup on. A job was a job," says Healy, who is working on a doctoral dissertation about vaudeville.

Jubilee tells it like it once was for black vaudeville performers | Star-Telegram.com

 

[IllmaticDelta]

you still getting dragged thru the mud in your own thread, tho..

typing long-winded rants only makes you look even dumber.. at least your buddy @PhonZhi was smart enough to bow out when he knew he took an L..

your schtick is played out.. you feel that way about hip-hop, and Black folks- why are you even a member here..? maybe you should contemplate that before getting your face rubbed in the mud anymore than it already has been..

 

[smokeurobinson]

you still getting dragged thru the mud in your own thread, tho..

typing long-winded rants only makes you look even dumber.. at least your buddy @PhonZhi was smart enough to bow out when he knew he took an L..

your schtick is played out.. you feel that way about hip-hop, and Black folks- why are you even a member here..? maybe you should contemplate that before getting your face rubbed in the mud anymore than it already has been..

All u did was say i got dragged with no proof.

lol @ wHY I'm a member here as if this one topic dictates my ovEraLL OUTlOOk ON hiP-HOP and black people.

 

[mykey]

OP has been reduced to a laughing stock.

Must be one of those st0rmfr0nt cac mf'ers worried about his kids becoming "wiggers"

 

[smokeurobinson]

stop it. I've provided more than enough evidence of self inflicted stereotyping and here you are, trying to slither your way out by attempting to the rap music industry from from the overall american music industry while not doing the same with black vaudville/broadway from the white acting industry of the time.

You are starting to fall in the "liar" category.




We(meaning you and I) didnt start talking about Vaudevillian till I brought up the article u posted on Bert Williams. That Vaudevillian article speaks on white Vaudevillian not Black. It speaks about his struggle to get on stage and deal with the humiliation of catering to a white audience. Thats the article You posted. When I responded to the article u posted, you then jumped and changed the topic to there being a Black Vaudevillan that was exclusive for black audiences. Which had nothing to do with me responding to the article about Bert Williams



Go back and read what u posted...I then tried to keep u back on topic because u went left for no reason. U went left and changed the topic about an article u posted. And your next response was about me slitering away from you bringing up Black Vaudeville when that was not the topic. That was you changin g the topic from me speaking on your article about Bert Willaims. You posted the article yet when I spoke on it you changed the subject and then accused me of slitering away from the topic??

LMAO @ this logic. yeah, let's not consider this self inflicted stereotyping

But was "the grand transcontinental tour" black owned and run? u keep destroying your claims with your own evidence. U keep using white platforms to get your point across....Hip Hop wasn't created for a white audience. Who allowed such a tour during that time? Ask yourself that question. You cant compare a white audience appoved and demand in the late 1800's to an artform started by Black people for Black people in the 1970's. They dont mix and u trying to mix them is you reaching.

 

[smokeurobinson]

OP has been reduced to a laughing stock.

Must be one of those st0rmfr0nt cac mf'ers worried about his kids becoming "wiggers"

I have one kid and he's Black. My kids couldnt be wiggers if i fukked a bytch as pale as The Dragon Queen.

 

[Wild self]

24 hours later. U still feel the same with ya hero destroying his own arguments with his own evidence



Here's a history lesson. @PhonZhi posted a link to a video of Kodak Blacks 2017 TBC interview were he wears a ski mask and acts in stereotypical form. Yet Iceberg slim put a mask on in an interview during the 60's but he did it out of shame because street pimping was looked down on in modern America. In the 60's there was shame in the Black community in openly saying you were involved in criminal activity




Thats video proof of how someone Black in the 60's involved in criminal activity goes on TV and shuns his criminal involvement.


This is Tookie Williams on TV in the 70's....he's not screaming Crip! Crip! He's telling the world he's into body building. Being Black and telling the world u are a criminal in real life was not cool like that in the 70's.




When Gary Weis did the '70's documentray 80 Blocks From Tiffanys that was a white man who went to Bronx gangs....wasn't no Bronx gangs going out there to tell the world what they doing. The white man had to come to them for that shyt to get out. Thats a white platform pushing the stereotype.

It wasn't till gangster rap took over Hip Hop in the early 90's that Black folks collectively used a platform of their own creation for making it seem cool to tell the world you they are really involved in criminal activity.

Well, they will be on the wrong side of history soon enough. Hitler was once "TIME person of the year" when he was alive, but now no one dare tries to praise his name.

 

[mykey]

I have one kid and he's Black. My kids couldnt be wiggers if i fukked a bytch as pale as The Dragon Queen.

Thou doth protest too much, cac.

 

[smokeurobinson]

Thou doth protest too much, cac.

Dude...You obviously have nothing to bring to the table. You looking stupid right now....My picture has been plastered on this site for years and the only thing you have to say on this topic is that you foolishly think I'm white when many in this very thread know what I look like.


My dude...piss yourself....it'll help you smell better.

 

[smokeurobinson]

they c00ned/bufooned for both. as I already pointed out, there were black minstrels/actors who performed to/for entirely black audiences

Even tho u went off topic and never responded when I responded to your article about Bert Williams I'll play along and still respond to you even tho u ignored me.

OK Lets talk about this info u have posted concerning Blacks c00ning for Black audiences.

Yet again, your own evidence destroys your own argument.

This is what u posted;

African-American blackface productions also contained buffoonery and comedy, by way of self-parody. In the early days of African-American involvement in theatrical performance, blacks could not perform without blackface makeup, regardless of how dark-skinned they were.


That is what u posted.


So the next question asked would be......who didn't allow Black actors to not wear black face?


was it Black people??




You and I both know it wasn't No Black rule gonna say that shyt. That was a white rule. This is why you cant compare something that was white ruled to an artform started by Blacks for Blacks. I keep saying this over and over again.


Look I'll post the continuation of the same article u posted;


These black performers became stars within the broad African-American community, but were largely ignored or condemned by the black bourgeoisie. James Monroe Trotter — a middle-class African American who had contempt for their "disgusting caricaturing" but admired their "highly musical culture"—wrote in 1882 that "few... who condemned black minstrels for giving 'aid and comfort to the enemy'" had ever seen them perform



Thats your article. Thats the continuation from where we pointed out that the theater distributors were pushed under white rules. Those Black actors from the past became stars amongst the Black community from white platforms. Thats what the article you posted states.



Again, you cant compare Black actors being stereotypes on white controlled and demanding platforms to the self inflicting stereotypes of Hip Hip in the early 90s which was created by Blacks for blacks.

 

[Higher Tech]

Hell, Dead Prez was the last real thing we saw concerning race issues and even they were concluded to be a marketing gimmick.

Why do you say they were a marketing gimmick?

 

[mykey]

Dude...You obviously have nothing to bring to the table. You looking stupid right now....My picture has been plastered on this site for years and the only thing you have to say on this topic is that you foolishly think I'm white when many in this very thread know what I look like.


My dude...piss yourself....it'll help you smell better.

If it smells like a rat, talks like a rat....You're heavy with the st0rmfr0nt/ Reddit/ ***** "alt-right" talking points. Talking of Hip-Hop and Black "stereotypes"

WTF is this then?

What about this?

Was Hip-Hop around in the 1950s? Faak outta here dummy.

 

[smokeurobinson]

Why do you say they were a marketing gimmick?

Where's the revolution they were stressing circa 2000-2004??

Soulja Boy and Chris Brown wanna be down with the Bloods not The Peoples Army. Aint nobody out here like that waving red, black and green flags like they are with red or blue rags.

In 2003 Dead Prez made it seem like they were about to start a movement involving Bill Cosby, Micheal Jordon, Michael Jackson, magic johnson and Oprah putting up money for a Black hospital and Fred Hampton Jr would be somewhere in the mix.
They were also on that cop killer shyt.
All that shyt sounded good on wax but it never materialized.


They were studio revolutionarys. They had material that was dope but are so low key its like they dont want the fame..... how can u start a low key revolution?....Like when is the green light gonna pop off for this revolution being that ya'll been mia for so long? What are the updates of this revolution? I hear people mention Lil B and Joe Budden way more then I hear people mention any updates concerning Dead Prez.

The "revolution" talk was a marketing gimmick. And it worked cuz like I said it sounded good on wax. But none of that talk materialized.