OmegaK2099
Gettin' It In
I'd like to see Michael Mann do a western
You have to go a little deeper into the characters to understand some of those parts. It's a movie that you will get more and more, if you watch again in a year or so.
Little insight into Neil's character, is a familiar theme in Mann's work, is that it's very much in line with his character, to essentially fall in love with someone, whom he doesn't know very well. "I know enough". They don't lay a lot of this out, but in Mann's Thief, James Cann character explains it a lot more expansively. Also, the scene at the dinner, you notice everyone has a partner, and Neil doesn't, so he walks out and makes a phone call, connecting with Edie. It's that split second decision. And he doubts himself enough to walk away, there's a scene where she says "what's wrong", and he pauses like he's lost, because he knows he's tripping, and then looks up again, and says "Nothing's wrong everythings right, say you'll go"
it has to happen fast, or else it won't happen at all.
When you are a professional criminal, you run so fast, so long, you stop for air, and end up falling in love, almost arbitrarily with someone, who you let your guard down with. And since he's a professional criminal, in his mind, he has no time or space for that process of falling in love, you need to roll now or not, and he tells her as much. Another theme in Mann's movies, is the idea that time is luck.
He tells her this too. As in, we only have right now. He could be done or dead next week, next morning. There's no time for meeting families, or going back and forth, like a rom com (or real life dating) we have this window right now to do this.
i think the writing/dialog is what holds it back for me
great cast, cool story, great action, but something's just not all the way there with the final product
something is just amateurish about the writing in this movie. i dont think its a stretch to say it's not mentioned among classic moviesYeah ok,.....
You have to go a little deeper into the characters to understand some of those parts. It's a movie that you will get more and more, if you watch again in a year or so.
Little insight into Neil's character, is a familiar theme in Mann's work, is that it's very much in line with his character, to essentially fall in love with someone, whom he doesn't know very well. "I know enough". They don't lay a lot of this out, but in Mann's Thief, James Cann character explains it a lot more expansively. Also, the scene at the dinner, you notice everyone has a partner, and Neil doesn't, so he walks out and makes a phone call, connecting with Edie. It's that split second decision. And he doubts himself enough to walk away, there's a scene where she says "what's wrong", and he pauses like he's lost, because he knows he's tripping, and then looks up again, and says "Nothing's wrong everythings right, say you'll go"
it has to happen fast, or else it won't happen at all.
When you are a professional criminal, you run so fast, so long, you stop for air, and end up falling in love, almost arbitrarily with someone, who you let your guard down with. And since he's a professional criminal, in his mind, he has no time or space for that process of falling in love, you need to roll now or not, and he tells her as much. Another theme in Mann's movies, is the idea that time is luck.
He tells her this too. As in, we only have right now. He could be done or dead next week, next morning. There's no time for meeting families, or going back and forth, like a rom com (or real life dating) we have this window right now to do this.
something is just amateurish about the writing in this movie. i dont think its a stretch to say it's not mentioned among classic movies
there's nothing classic about that scene, besides people gassing it up because " it's finally deniro and pacino". that scene is overrated as fukkBut you want to discuss acting, I mean the DeNiro and Pacino diner scene is also one of the most classic scenes in modern cinema.
there's nothing classic about that scene, besides people gassing it up because " it's finally deniro and pacino". that scene is overrated as fukk
"don't take scores
i take scores. you try to stop me "
it's easily a not worth mentioning scene out of both their careersboth actors have countless better scenes
wow, nobody in history thinks that Heat isnt a perfect movie. tough oddsYou can have your opinion @the cac mamba it's just that nobody over the course of history agrees with it.
That diner scene in Thief is basically Mann's whole career, his obsession. Quite a few of his movies basically centered around that efficient professional who end up in one last test situation and most of them "fail" that last time. Caan's character in Thief "passes" because that prison experience showed him what to do...it just costs you everything. It always costs you everything (in that moment).You have to go a little deeper into the characters to understand some of those parts. It's a movie that you will get more and more, if you watch again in a year or so.
Little insight into Neil's character, is a familiar theme in Mann's work, is that it's very much in line with his character, to essentially fall in love with someone, whom he doesn't know very well. "I know enough". They don't lay a lot of this out, but in Mann's Thief, James Cann character explains it a lot more expansively. Also, the scene at the dinner, you notice everyone has a partner, and Neil doesn't, so he walks out and makes a phone call, connecting with Edie. It's that split second decision. And he doubts himself enough to walk away, there's a scene where she says "what's wrong", and he pauses like he's lost, because he knows he's tripping, and then looks up again, and says "Nothing's wrong everythings right, say you'll go"
it has to happen fast, or else it won't happen at all.
When you are a professional criminal, you run so fast, so long, you stop for air, and end up falling in love, almost arbitrarily with someone, who you let your guard down with. And since he's a professional criminal, in his mind, he has no time or space for that process of falling in love, you need to roll now or not, and he tells her as much. Another theme in Mann's movies, is the idea that time is luck.
He tells her this too. As in, we only have right now. He could be done or dead next week, next morning. There's no time for meeting families, or going back and forth, like a rom com (or real life dating) we have this window right now to do this.
That diner scene in Thief is basically Mann's whole career, his obsession. Quite a few of his movies basically centered around that efficient professional who end up in one last test situation and most of them "fail" that last time. Caan's character in Thief "passes" because that prison experience showed him what to do...it just costs you everything. It always costs you everything (in that moment).
"You gotta forget time. You gotta not give a fukk if you live or die. You gotta get to where nothing means nothing."