Great article on white working class rejecting Dems

[mastermind]

Calling DSA a failure is hyperbole. DSA is fine it’s just very hard to be successful when you have the full might in terms of media and money of the GOP and DNC pushing back on you. Does the dsa have more work to do of course but that requires proper and consistent leadership which is an entirely different conversation. DSA candidates have knocked off some very high profile democrats. I don’t think it’s fair to call them a “failure”.

I said the DSA fails, not that they are a failure.

I am also aware of the challenges. I just said they and other progressive and leftists groups need to be in the community more and do more community activities. I don't believe the way to win these elections is by endorsing candidates and standing back. In order to win these things and push back, you need a movement that does not revolve around elections.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

I said the DSA fails, not that they are a failure.

I am also aware of the challenges. I just said they and other progressive and leftists groups need to be in the community more and do more community activities. I don't believe the way to win these elections is by endorsing candidates and standing back. In order to win these things and push back, you need a movement that does not revolve around elections.

Sure but in order to build that structure requires a more centralized leadership which the dsa to my knowledge seemingly doesn’t have and that goes back to leadership

 

[mastermind]

Sure but in order to build that structure requires a more centralized leadership which the dsa to my knowledge seemingly doesn’t have and that goes back to leadership

I don't think you need that. These local chapters need to be more active in the community.

 

[Pressure]

Obama won, not because record turnout of the black vote and the distaste of the Iraq war, but because of working class whites

Thread is comedy. I can't wait to see what happens tomorrow.

 

[the cac mamba]

Obama won, not because record turnout of the black vote and the distaste of the Iraq war, but because of working class whites

along with MI, WI, and PA, he won ohio, indiana, and iowa. and florida. unthinkable states for the dems in 2020

im pretty sure that wasnt just black voter turnout and the iraq war

 

[Pressure]

along with MI, WI, and PA, he won ohio, indiana, and iowa. and florida.

im pretty sure that wasnt just black voter turnout and the iraq war

Black Vote in Ohio Fueled by Voter-ID Bills

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www.theatlantic.com

Black voters in Detroit key for Joe Biden and Gary Peters' victories, advocates say

Voter turnout in Detroit was higher than in 2016, helping Joe Biden and other Democrats win statewide, according to advocates

www.freep.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/03/12/4-4-million-2012-obama-voters-stayed-home-in-2016-more-than-a-third-of-them-black/

Black voters in Pa. played a pivotal role in 2020 election, tipping Joe Biden to victory

After a historically low voter turnout four years ago, Black voters across Pennsylvania joined millions others across the country to propel President-elect Joe Biden to victory in the 2020 election.

www.pennlive.com

This Chart Shows Philadelphia Black Voters Stayed Home, Costing Clinton

A shift in Philadelphia voter turnout, which broke along racial lines, appears to have cost Hillary Clinton almost 35,000 votes.

www.buzzfeednews.com

http://www.phillytrib.com/news/black-vote-won-day-for-obama/article_fc673f7e-04d0-598a-902b-afac80e8359b.html

I think you get the point

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Obama won, not because record turnout of the black vote and the distaste of the Iraq war, but because of working class whites

Oh look, Pressure came in to lie. What a surprise.

I didn't say jack shyt about how much Black voters did or did not contribute to Obama's win except in Iowa. And if you think the 91% of Iowans who are white were all racist Obama-haters but he miraculously pulled out victory solely due to the 3% of voters who were Black, then you're a fukking moron.

Of course, you know that, which is why you tried to deflect with a disingenuous bullshyt strawman rather than engaging a single point that was actually made.


I posted 12 battleground states where Obama won a large % of the white working-class voters. The Black vote in Obama's election (which will be higher than the Black vote in most elections) varied from 1% to 23%, with all but two of them coming in at 13% or less. In order to win any of those states, a Democrat needs to win among Black turnout AND needs to win a decent # of white working-class voters as well.

They need both to win. What about that is difficult to understand?



The dumbest thing about this deflection is that one of the reasons our country is in this situation is because your awful centrist candidate was dogshyt at motivating Black voters too in the general too.

 

[Pressure]

Report: Iowa voter turnout among highest in 2012 election

A new report says Iowans voted at some of the highest rates in the country in the 2012 election. It …

www.thegazette.com

Iowa

Perhaps the biggest revelation in the report was that, nationwide, black voters turned out at higher rates than white voters for the first time since such comparisons began to be made in 1996.

 

[Pressure]

Obama was popular throughout his entire presidency.

Clinton overcame scandal to cruise to a second term.

Biden unseated arguably the most popular Republican cabdidate amongst conservatives.

You gotta use better arguments @Rhakim. If people were rejecting Obama and Clinton then why keep electing them

 

[CrimsonTider]

When you got @cac mamba co-signing you then you know you’re wrong

 

[CrimsonTider]

Oh look, Pressure came in to lie. What a surprise.

I didn't say jack shyt about how much Black voters did or did not contribute to Obama's win except in Iowa. And if you think the 91% of Iowans who are white were all racist Obama-haters but he miraculously pulled out victory solely due to the 3% of voters who were Black, then you're a fukking moron.

Of course, you know that, which is why you tried to deflect with a disingenuous bullshyt strawman rather than engaging a single point that was actually made.


I posted 12 battleground states where Obama won a large % of the white working-class voters. The Black vote in Obama's election (which will be higher than the Black vote in most elections) varied from 1% to 23%, with all but two of them coming in at 13% or less. In order to win any of those states, a Democrat needs to win among Black turnout AND needs to win a decent # of white working-class voters as well.

They need both to win. What about that is difficult to understand?



The dumbest thing about this deflection is that one of the reasons our country is in this situation is because your awful centrist candidate was dogshyt at motivating Black voters too in the general too.

Wait was Bernie motivating black people

is this just another Bernie bro thread

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Obama was popular throughout his entire presidency.

Clinton overcame scandal to cruise to a second term.

We literally talked about this exact topic two weeks ago and you're posting the exact same bullshyt solely to troll.

Clinton and Obama were wildly charismatic presidents who were far more popular with their partisans than the extraordinarily bland candidates the Republicans ran against them. Despite that, they pulled all of 49% and 51% of the vote, no big majority. And outside of their own charisma voters downballot proved they hated what the Democrats were giving them.

Clinton came in with 57 Democratic senators and left with 45. He came in with 258 House Democrats and left with 211. And his successor lost. It was one of the worst turnarounds in Democratic presidential history.

Until Obama of course. Obama came in with 59 Democratic senators and left with 46. He came in with 257 House Democrats and left with 188. And his successor lost to the most disliked challenger in US election history.


Imagine hemorrhaging double-digit senators and 50-70 House members during your presidency and believing the American public liked what you were giving them.

Biden unseated arguably the most popular Republican cabdidate amongst conservatives.

As if conservatives could ever carry an election by themselves? Trump was one of the most hated first-term presidents of ALL TIME, he had congressmen of his own fukking party refusing to support his reelection. Biden didn't even run on his own shyt, he barely campaigned, he just ran on the electorate hating Trump.

Democrats could cruise to wins in 2008 and 2020 because they were running on "We'll give you more than the Republican fukk-ups just did". But that's not running on your record. When your Democratic establishment has had to run on its record it's meant 6 consecutive elections where they've failed to win Congressional majorities and it's looking like #7 could be coming up.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Report: Iowa voter turnout among highest in 2012 election

A new report says Iowans voted at some of the highest rates in the country in the 2012 election. It …

www.thegazette.com

Iowa


Perhaps the biggest revelation in the report was that, nationwide, black voters turned out at higher rates than white voters for the first time since such comparisons began to be made in 1996.

And all that record Black turnout did was make Black voters 3% of the vote share. Which is slightly less than you need to win an election, dumbass.

Iowa - Election Results 2008 - The New York Times

2008 Presidential exit polls for Iowa.

www.nytimes.com

@Pressure and @CrimsonTider have turned this thread into shyt. They know they got owned on the facts, so they're creating ridiculous strawmen and deflections.

If you think that a Democrat can win fukking Iowa without getting a decent # of votes among white working-class voters, you're too ignorant to talk politics on the internet. Full stop.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

When you got @cac mamba co-signing you then you know you’re wrong

Says the guy with a WOAT banner and -13,687 rep.



Imagine saying shyt so stupid that even @the cac mamba looks more informed than you.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

@the cac mamba catching strays for no reason