Great article on white working class rejecting Dems

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Republicans accomplished nothing but scotus picks and a tax cut when they had power.

Scotus picks and judges now don’t matter lol. Tell us more about you don’t give a shyt about other peoples rights. Remember what I’ve said time and time again about you being a complete sociopath?

 

[acri1]

Republicans accomplished nothing but scotus picks and a tax cut when they had power.

SCOTUS picks are mad important though, and arguably more important than anything Dems did during Obama's term outside of the ACA. As I've said in other threads, I wish the left cared about courts more.

Not that I completely blame Obama for that, but let's not downplay the importance of the courts.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I remember when "working class" voters said the economy was a top priority and felt the economy was rigged for the rich and powerful.

Then they elected Trump and his merry band of bankers.

If you weren't so blinded by partisanship you'd see you answered your own question.

The strength of economic issues was part of the reason working class voters helped carry Obama to wins in places like Iowa, Indiana, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida (damn near even won Missouri).

Then they watched him turn around and kiss corporate ass, bail out the banks, hold literally none of the rich and powerful responsible. The wealthy immediately saw their wealth restored within 2 years while the working class had to settle for a largely jobless recovery where it took 10 years of slow growth to finally bring the jobs back and stagnant-ass wages the entire time.

And you act surprised that "economic voters" who helped elect him in 2008 had abandoned the party again by 2016.

That was because black people voted for Obama in mass and the white population percentage was not what it used to be.

Yeah, I'm sure black people voting in mass got Obama wins in fukking Iowa.


Obama did better with White voters than Gore and FAR better with White voters than Kerry. We're not just talking about liberal enclaves - Obama outperformed Kerry with Whites in Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Virginia, and North Carolina. Even in Southern states like North Carolina, Virginia, and Florida, Obama won 35-45% of the White vote. Among working-age people the #'s were even higher - once you eliminate seniors Obama was close to a White majority in those states.


This is why I called that shyt TLR-level posting. Y'all are just throwing out useless narratives and straight ignoring reality. Notice how every single comment I've made was backed up with direct facts of who voted where and when, who got in power where and when. Whereas the counterarguments are literally just narratives with zero evidence behind them.

We're 5 pages deep in this shyt and still failing to explain how the Dems managed to back the Civil Rights Act and get 90% of the Black vote with Republicans like Nixon and Reagan blowing racist dog whistles on the regular, yet still had this result:

Remember that the Democrats held the House for 40 straight years until 1994. They were still winning presidential elections in West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Missouri, Arkansas, and Louisiana in 1996, Indiana and North Carolina in 2008, Iowa, Ohio, Florida, and Maine in 2012. They had a Kentucky senator until 1998, South Dakota and South Carolina until 2004, Nebraska until 2012, Montana, South Dakota, Iowa, Arkansas, Louisiana, West Virginia, and North Carolina until 2014, Missouri, Florida, Indiana, and North Dakota until 2018, and Alabama until 2020. They were still considered the pro-black, pro-immigrant, pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-gun party back then, they only won because at least some white people in certain states still put economic shyt first. It can happen again but Democrats need to deliver more than they have.

Dumbass from TLR is still focused on "He said Alabama!", denying the factual reality of Alabama having a Dem in the Senate from 2017-2020, because he doesn't want to have to deal with the reality of Dems also winning state-wide elections in North Dakota, Indiana, Ohio, Missouri, Florida, North Carolina, West Virginia, Louisiana, Arkansas, Iowa, South Dakota, Montana, Nebraska, South Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Maine.

That's TLR-level shyt when you can't discuss the reality of election results across over 1/2 the red states in America but need to make 3 separate comments bytching about Alabama being included.

 

[mastermind]

This is the part where we pretend that we aren't operating under the assumption that Republicans aren't the party of neoliberalism

My man really just makes up a reality and lives in it.

 

[Pressure]

SCOTUS picks are mad important though, and arguably more important than anything Dems did during Obama's term outside of the ACA. As I've said in other threads, I wish the left cared about courts more.

Not that I completely blame Obama for that, but let's not downplay the importance of the courts.

But that wasn't due to some master strategy.

Two people died.

 

[Pressure]

My man really just makes up a reality and lives in it.

You mean the world where Americans are craving for left wing politics?

 

[acri1]

Yeah, I'm sure black people voting in mass got Obama wins in fukking Iowa.


Obama did better with White voters than Gore and FAR better with White voters than Kerry. We're not just talking about liberal enclaves - Obama outperformed Kerry with Whites in Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Virginia, and North Carolina. Even in Southern states like North Carolina, Virginia, and Florida, Obama won 35-45% of the White vote. Among working-age people the #'s were even higher - once you eliminate seniors Obama was close to a White majority in those states.


This is why I called that shyt TLR-level posting. Y'all are just throwing out useless narratives and straight ignoring reality. Notice how every single comment I've made was backed up with direct facts of who voted where and when, who got in power where and when. Whereas the counterarguments are literally just narratives with zero evidence behind them.

We're 5 pages deep in this shyt and still failing to explain how the Dems managed to back the Civil Rights Act and get 90% of the Black vote with Republicans like Nixon and Reagan blowing racist dog whistles on the regular, yet still had this result:

You're completely ignoring the context of the political environment. It's not the 1960s or the 2000s anymore.

Any Democrat whether it was Obama or not would've done well in 2008, the Iraq War was fresh in people's mind as well as a recession that started under Bush, so the GOP was just more unpopular than normal at the time. That's the main reason Obama got a higher share of the white vote, it had much more to do with the Iraq War than with left-wing policies (and again, I'm for progressive policies, that's just not why Obama got elected). As far as the New Deal, again, it's not the 1930s or 1960s. You didn't have things like FOX News, right-wing social media, the alt-right, etc. Dems weren't seen as the party of black people at the time.

Some of the comparisons you're making are apples and oranges.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

You mean the world where Americans are craving for left wing politics?

Actually Americans support quite a few left wing policies once you remove parties and the medias right wing framing of everything from the equation per polling.

Democrats should run on the popular progressive ideas, but not the unpopular ones

www.vox.com

 

[acri1]

Actually Americans support quite a few left wing policies once you remove parties and the medias right wing framing of everything from the equation per polling.

Democrats should run on the popular progressive ideas, but not the unpopular ones

www.vox.com

I agree completely, left wing policies are popular.
The problem is most people don't vote based on policy or Bernie would've been elected. I wish it wasn't that way, but it is.



Left-leaning voters usually vote based on damage control and right-leaning voters usually vote based on resentment.

 

[Shogun]

Essential Politics: Progressives mislead themselves about popularity of their plans

An article of faith on the left holds that progressive ideas always enjoy wide support. That's not true. Democrats need to persuade, not just assume.

www.latimes.com

 

[CrimsonTider]

If you weren't so blinded by partisanship you'd see you answered your own question.

The strength of economic issues was part of the reason working class voters helped carry Obama to wins in places like Iowa, Indiana, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida (damn near even won Missouri).

Then they watched him turn around and kiss corporate ass, bail out the banks, hold literally none of the rich and powerful responsible. The wealthy immediately saw their wealth restored within 2 years while the working class had to settle for a largely jobless recovery where it took 10 years of slow growth to finally bring the jobs back and stagnant-ass wages the entire time.

And you act surprised that "economic voters" who helped elect him in 2008 had abandoned the party again by 2016.





Yeah, I'm sure black people voting in mass got Obama wins in fukking Iowa.


Obama did better with White voters than Gore and FAR better with White voters than Kerry. We're not just talking about liberal enclaves - Obama outperformed Kerry with Whites in Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Virginia, and North Carolina. Even in Southern states like North Carolina, Virginia, and Florida, Obama won 35-45% of the White vote. Among working-age people the #'s were even higher - once you eliminate seniors Obama was close to a White majority in those states.


This is why I called that shyt TLR-level posting. Y'all are just throwing out useless narratives and straight ignoring reality. Notice how every single comment I've made was backed up with direct facts of who voted where and when, who got in power where and when. Whereas the counterarguments are literally just narratives with zero evidence behind them.

We're 5 pages deep in this shyt and still failing to explain how the Dems managed to back the Civil Rights Act and get 90% of the Black vote with Republicans like Nixon and Reagan blowing racist dog whistles on the regular, yet still had this result:




Dumbass from TLR is still focused on "He said Alabama!", denying the factual reality of Alabama having a Dem in the Senate from 2017-2020, because he doesn't want to have to deal with the reality of Dems also winning state-wide elections in North Dakota, Indiana, Ohio, Missouri, Florida, North Carolina, West Virginia, Louisiana, Arkansas, Iowa, South Dakota, Montana, Nebraska, South Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Maine.

That's TLR-level shyt when you can't discuss the reality of election results across over 1/2 the red states in America but need to make 3 separate comments bytching about Alabama being included.

You are out of your fukking mind

Obama won those states because of how unpopular the war on terror was and the mishandling of Katrina and the great recession Energized young people and minorities and educated whites. Obama Wasnt winning the working class whites. Furthermore that was 2008 and not 2022


denying the reality of Alabama having a senator I told you they only had a dem senstor due a special election where the republican Ran a pedo. Why didn’t Alabama retain the senator in 2020 during the general election . Your TLR insults won’t work here. Show me posting some sideways shyt about politics in TLR

i will keep telling you, in 2022 white working class don’t give fukk about your policies they care about protecting protecting whiteness

 

[mastermind]

Actually Americans support quite a few left wing policies once you remove parties and the medias right wing framing of everything from the equation per polling.

Democrats should run on the popular progressive ideas, but not the unpopular ones

www.vox.com

My only thing is while its popular, you can't keep saying its popular and not doing shyt.

Ajamu Baraka, director of the Black Alliance for Peace, was on This Is Revolution and mentioned that the left needs to be in communities more and have events, activities, block parties, fairs, etc to interface with people and listen to grievances, educate and then offer solutions. Jumping into elections first ain't gonna do shyt, which is why the DSA fails.

 

[CrimsonTider]

You're completely ignoring the context of the political environment. It's not the 1960s or the 2000s anymore.

Any Democrat whether it was Obama or not would've done well in 2008, the Iraq War was fresh in people's mind as well as a recession that started under Bush, so the GOP was just more unpopular than normal at the time. That's the main reason Obama got a higher share of the white vote, it had much more to do with the Iraq War than with left-wing policies (and again, I'm for progressive policies, that's just not why Obama got elected). As far as the New Deal, again, it's not the 1930s or 1960s. You didn't have things like FOX News, right-wing social media, the alt-right, etc. Dems weren't seen as the party of black people at the time.

Some of the comparisons you're making are apples and oranges.

I just scrolled back up and read this post. I basically said the same thing a reply.

let me add to the Fox News part. That’s all these people digest. Whatever people here like @Rhakim know to be obvious spin and nonsense treated as facts and gospel by these people. They’re dumb, gullible and racist. no policy can combat that

any democrat would’ve won in 2020 too. The trump hate and the misdhandling of Covid energized the young, educated whites and minorities to vote.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Iowa 2008 exit polls. Black people, young people and independents all came out strongz( independents are just educated whites with the luxury to vote for any candidate)

@Rhakim F O H

Iowa - Election Results 2008 - The New York Times

2008 Presidential exit polls for Iowa.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

None of us have said that the Dems should abandon social issues, they should just abandon stupid ways of supporting social issues.

Imagine supporting Joe fukking Biden over Bernie and then claim that progressives are the ones who abandon social issues.


Bernie has been ahead of your hacks on virtually every social issue out there. He was already supporting gay marriage back when Obama claimed he was against it for religious reasons. He was voting against the Defense of Marriage Act while the Clintons were proudly supporting it. He was talking about the impacts of Black incarceration when Biden was proudly writing one crime bill after another and Kamala was bragging about locking people up, and marching in the Civil Rights Movement against the very segregationists that Biden was so proud to have worked with and support on the anti-bussing issue. And lets not even get started on human rights and Israel or support for needless wars or Biden's weak-ass record on abortion.

Biden, Obama, and Clinton compiled damn near 20 years of presidential rule, all three of them having legislative majorities for at least part of it, and accomplished damn near jack shyt on a single meaningful social issue. Only things that ever changed did so when the courts forced the issue despite their lack of help, not with it. Meanwhile Biden and the Clintons have a proud 50 year history of dropping racist dog whistles for political advantage. So respectfully, STFU on any false moral superiority here.


Establishment dems use virtue signaling on social issues as a distraction to portray everyone else as the "bad guys" and deflect blame for not getting jack shyt done that will actually help their Black, Brown, or poor constituencies. THAT is what Bernie's supporters are calling them out on. It is pointless to waste capital on certain social issues for which they aren't actually going to get jack shyt done, it is often disadvantageous to push what they know to be marginal issues they don't have the support to do anything about at the expense of critical concerns that can actually help the people they pretend to want to vote for them.

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