Great article on white working class rejecting Dems

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My only thing is while its popular, you can't keep saying its popular and not doing shyt.

Ajamu Baraka, director of the Black Alliance for Peace, was on This Is Revolution and mentioned that the left needs to be in communities more and have events, activities, block parties, fairs, etc to interface with people and listen to grievances, educate and then offer solutions. Jumping into elections first ain't gonna do shyt, which is why the DSA is fails.

Calling DSA a failure is hyperbole. DSA is fine it’s just very hard to be successful when you have the full might in terms of media and money of the GOP and DNC pushing back on you. Does the dsa have more work to do of course but that requires proper and consistent leadership which is an entirely different conversation. DSA candidates have knocked off some very high profile democrats. I don’t think it’s fair to call them a “failure”.
 
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I mean it’s beyond that it’s shyt like this too and inflation and has prices aren’t even primarily driving his disapproval rating with young people. People are fed up with democrats treating republicans with kid gloves while simultaneously allowing them to strip people of their rights while not doing anything about. People want fighters and neoliberals are not fighters


Not voting for Biden again
Dude can't be consistent
 

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Iowa 2008 exit polls. Black people, young people and independents all came out strongz( independents are just educated whites with the luxury to vote for any candidate)

@Rhakim F O H



That link shows just 3% of Iowa voters were black and 17% were under 30. :mjlol: :mjlol: :mjlol:

Are you that fukking stupid or do you just expect the rest of us to be? :skip:




independents are just educated whites with the luxury to vote for any candidate

Complete, fukking, liar, disproved by your own link. You really didn't want to scroll down to this result:


What was the last grade of school you completed?​

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Percentof votersGroupsObamaMcCainShift from ’04
26%High school graduate58%40%+15
30 Some college or associate degree52 46 +14
27 College graduate49 50 +4
13 Postgraduate study55 44 +2
Source: Edison Media Research/Mitofsky International



Income​

��
Percentof votersGroupsObamaMcCainShift from ’04
8%Under $15,00066%29%+4
13 $15,000 - $29,99962 35 +15
21 $30,000 - $49,99958 40 +12
21 $50,000 - $74,99950 49 +15
15 $75,000 - $99,99952 48 +6
13 $100,000 - $149,99943 56 +5
4 $150,000 - $199,99950 50 +0
4 $200,000 or more54 46 +69




In a White-ass state with an over 90% White electorate, Obama did by far the BEST with voters who didn't go to college and voters who made under $50,000. You claimed he couldn't get any of those votes when he fukking WON huge majorities among those voters.

And you tried your lying-ass shyt claiming it was just Black and educated voters who got him there. :mjlol:
 

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That link shows just 3% of Iowa voters were black and 17% were under 30. :mjlol: :mjlol: :mjlol:

Are you that fukking stupid or do you just expect the rest of us to be? :skip:






Complete, fukking, liar, disproved by your own link. You really didn't want to scroll down to this result:


What was the last grade of school you completed?​

��
Percentof votersGroupsObamaMcCainShift from ’04
26%High school graduate58%40%+15
30 Some college or associate degree52 46 +14
27 College graduate49 50 +4
13 Postgraduate study55 44 +2
Source: Edison Media Research/Mitofsky International



Income​

��
Percentof votersGroupsObamaMcCainShift from ’04
8%Under $15,00066%29%+4
13 $15,000 - $29,99962 35 +15
21 $30,000 - $49,99958 40 +12
21 $50,000 - $74,99950 49 +15
15 $75,000 - $99,99952 48 +6
13 $100,000 - $149,99943 56 +5
4 $150,000 - $199,99950 50 +0
4 $200,000 or more54 46 +69




In a White-ass state with an over 90% White electorate, Obama did by far the BEST with voters who didn't go to college and voters who made under $50,000. You claimed he couldn't get any of those votes when he fukking WON huge majorities among those voters.

And you tried your lying-ass shyt claiming it was just Black and educated voters who got him there. :mjlol:
He's not lying, he didn't read the article past the headline. @CrimsonTider tells you he don't read anything.
 

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You are out of your fukking mind

Obama won those states because of how unpopular the war on terror was and the mishandling of Katrina and the great recession Energized young people and minorities and educated whites. Obama Wasnt winning the working class whites.

Liar. Liar. Liar.

I already showed you were lying about Iowa. How about let's check out some other white-ass states? Reality is a motherfukker.




Wisconsin 89% White and only 5% Black. Obama won among those with just a high school degree by a massive margin (60% of the vote) and also won among those with just some college and those in every low-income bracket:




Indiana 88% White and only 7% Black. Obama won 56% of the vote among those with only a high school education and 53% among those with only some college, and won every low-income bracket easily.




Ohio 83% White and 11% Black. Obama won a clear majority of those who had not completed college as well as winning every low-income bracket.




Michigan 82% White and 12% Black. Obama won giant (nearly 60%) majorities among the 65% of the electorate that had not completed college as well as winning every low-income bracket:




Pennsylvania 81% White and 13% Black. Obama won a clear majority among the 46% of the electorate that didn't have a college degree and won every low-income bracket easily:




Missouri 82% white and 13% Black. Obama finished basically 50-50 among the 64% of the electorate that didn't have a college degree:




Florida 71% White and 13% Black. Obama won 60% of the 23% who had no more than a high school education, and finished 50-50 among the 32% who had only some college:




Virginia 70% White and 20% Black. Obama won nearly 55% of the vote among the 45% of the electorate who didn't have a college education and won every low-income bracket:




North Carolina 72% White and 23% Black. Obama was basically 50-50 among the 31% of the electorate that had no more than a high school degree and got 45% of the electorate that only had "some college", as well as winning every low-income bracket:




New Hampshire 94% white voters, not even enough Black voters to register in the exit poll. Obama won among those with just high-school education, among those with just some college, and among every low-income bracket:




Maine 96% white voters, not even enough Black voters to register in the poll. Obama won with 59% of the electorate who only had a high school diploma, also won among those with just some college and among every low-income bracket:





You lied. Obama got a LOT of votes among white working-class voters in every swing state in 2008. He did shytty among white voters in the deep South, which pulled down his #'s overall, but in all the battleground states he picked up a ton of votes among that group.

And hell yeah the Great Recession was a big part of that. ECONOMIC ISSUES CAN OVERRIDE OTHER CONCERNS FOR WHITE WORKING-CLASS VOTERS, like we already told you. FDR took that opportunity, actually responded to the recession in a way that helped people, and won a ton of those states for Dems for much of the next 45 years. Obama could have captured some of them too....instead he bailed out the fukking bankers and left regular people out to dry.




denying the reality of Alabama having a senator :dead: I told you they only had a dem senstor due a special election where the republican Ran a pedo. Why didn’t Alabama retain the senator in 2020 during the general election :ohhh: .

That's your FOURTH comment about Alabama and you still haven't had one word to say about the other 18 red states that Democrats won statewide elections in between 1996 and 2012 except to lie and claim that white working-class voters never supported dems in those states when I just proved to you that they did.
 

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That link shows just 3% of Iowa voters were black and 17% were under 30. :mjlol: :mjlol: :mjlol:

Are you that fukking stupid or do you just expect the rest of us to be? :skip:






Complete, fukking, liar, disproved by your own link. You really didn't want to scroll down to this result:


What was the last grade of school you completed?​

��
Percentof votersGroupsObamaMcCainShift from ’04
26%High school graduate58%40%+15
30 Some college or associate degree52 46 +14
27 College graduate49 50 +4
13 Postgraduate study55 44 +2
Source: Edison Media Research/Mitofsky International



Income​

��
Percentof votersGroupsObamaMcCainShift from ’04
8%Under $15,00066%29%+4
13 $15,000 - $29,99962 35 +15
21 $30,000 - $49,99958 40 +12
21 $50,000 - $74,99950 49 +15
15 $75,000 - $99,99952 48 +6
13 $100,000 - $149,99943 56 +5
4 $150,000 - $199,99950 50 +0
4 $200,000 or more54 46 +69




In a White-ass state with an over 90% White electorate, Obama did by far the BEST with voters who didn't go to college and voters who made under $50,000. You claimed he couldn't get any of those votes when he fukking WON huge majorities among those voters.

And you tried your lying-ass shyt claiming it was just Black and educated voters who got him there. :mjlol:
I’m talking about the change in votes from the 2004 to 2008. Those surges are what gave him iowa

what Am I lying about it?

only you and @mastermind are the only people in America dumb enough to think white working class voters can be swayed to vote Dems by policies
 

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the white working class been rejected the Dems because at least Republicans let them openly pretend to be better than they are because of the color of their skin.
Nah bruh, it’s because Dems give them nothing to vote for
 
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The left need to start being populist

I would constantly emphazie that the next bank crash is just a matter of time and every american gonna loose all the money in his Bank account. Fear brings you a shytload of votes.
 

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I’m talking about the change in votes from the 2004 to 2008. Those surges are what gave him iowa

what Am I lying about it?

only you and @mastermind are the only people in America dumb enough to think white working class voters can be swayed to vote Dems by policies

Ah yes, The Deplorables :blessed:
 

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I’m talking about the change in votes from the 2004 to 2008. Those surges are what gave him iowa

Hmmm, so where was the surge the strongest? Did you even read your link?


What was the last grade of school you completed?​


Percentof votersGroupsObamaMcCainShift from ’04
More Dem.Percent points changed from 2004More Rep.
26%High school graduate58%40%
+15
30 Some college or associate degree52 46
+14
27 College graduate49 50
+4
13 Postgraduate study55 44 +2



In White-ass Iowa, by FAR the biggest surge was among the 56% of the electorate that doesn't have a college education. Educated Whites barely budged towards Obama, while the less-educated moved towards him in massive #'s. You lied.

Yes, Obama's Black #'s improved in Iowa, but that doesn't mean jack shyt when they just increased from 2% of the electorate to 3%. And young people moved 18% more in his favor, but doesn't matter much when they comprised just 17% of the electorate. Neither the 3% that are Black folk nor the 17% that are young folk can explain that huge 15% shift among the majority of the electorate that is uneducated (especially considering that there's a overlap between Black voters and young voters, and considering that most young people 25-29 have a college degree and aren't even included in that uneducated group).

You are literally inventing shyt to try to make up a case out of thin air, and reality keeps biting you in the ass.



what Am I lying about it?

only you and @mastermind are the only people in America dumb enough to think white working class voters can be swayed to vote Dems by policies


Your exact fukking words were "Obama wasn't winning the working class whites". Then as proof you posted Iowa poll results showing Obama easily winning among working-class whites. Then I posted proof of 12 different heavily-white swing states where Obama did very well winning millions of votes among working-class whites.

You played yourself.
 

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Hmmm, so where was the surge the strongest? Did you even read your link?


What was the last grade of school you completed?​


Percentof votersGroupsObamaMcCainShift from ’04
More Dem.Percent points changed from 2004More Rep.
26%High school graduate58%40%
+15
30 Some college or associate degree52 46
+14
27 College graduate49 50
+4
13 Postgraduate study55 44 +2



In White-ass Iowa, by FAR the biggest surge was among the 56% of the electorate that doesn't have a college education. Educated Whites barely budged towards Obama, while the less-educated moved towards him in massive #'s. You lied.

Yes, Obama's Black #'s improved in Iowa, but that doesn't mean jack shyt when they just increased from 2% of the electorate to 3%. And young people moved 18% more in his favor, but doesn't matter much when they comprised just 17% of the electorate. Neither the 3% that are Black folk nor the 17% that are young folk can explain that huge 15% shift among the majority of the electorate that is uneducated (especially considering that there's a overlap between Black voters and young voters, and considering that most young people 25-29 have a college degree and aren't even included in that uneducated group).

You are literally inventing shyt to try to make up a case out of thin air, and reality keeps biting you in the ass.






Your exact fukking words were "Obama wasn't winning the working class whites". Then as proof you posted Iowa poll results showing Obama easily winning among working-class whites. Then I posted proof of 12 different heavily-white swing states where Obama did very well winning millions of votes among working-class whites.

You played yourself.
:what:

theres an overlap with young and black but there’s not an overlap with uneducated young and black

Somebody make it make sense because this nikka really thinks racist, ignorant ass white folks voted for Obama and will vote for Dems if they offered them QOL improvement policies
 

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theres an overlap with young and black but there’s not an overlap with uneducated young and black


Do math breh, an increase in the Black electorate from 2% to 3% (of which not all are uneducated) can't create a +15 swing in Obama's votes among the 56% of the electorate that were uneducated.

Even if EVERY new Black voter was uneducated, at most it would have swung those votes by a couple percent. The vast majority of the swing was due to uneducated white voters, the large majority of which were over 30.




Somebody make it make sense because this nikka really thinks racist, ignorant ass white folks voted for Obama and will vote for Dems if they offered them QOL improvement policies

You claimed Obama didn't win among White voters in those states. I literally just showed you millions of uneducated White voters voting for Obama in 12 different swing states and you want to keep denying the reality in front of your face.

Uneducated white people in numerous crucial states voted for Obama in 2008. That's factually undeniable. Put any spin on it you want, but your fact-free TLR bullshyt isn't going to fly here. Calling them "racist, ignorant ass white folk" doesn't magically change the fact that they voted for Obama and could potentially be a vote source for Dems again.

I really can't help you here anymore. :snoop:
 
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Calling DSA a failure is hyperbole. DSA is fine it’s just very hard to be successful when you have the full might in terms of media and money of the GOP and DNC pushing back on you. Does the dsa have more work to do of course but that requires proper and consistent leadership which is an entirely different conversation. DSA candidates have knocked off some very high profile democrats. I don’t think it’s fair to call them a “failure”.

The DSA types are okay-some are really active out here- but you can‘t have it both ways. You either for this neo-liberal bullshyt or you not.
 
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