Great article on white working class rejecting Dems

[Pressure]

You’re a fukking idiot

Joe Biden is the president hasn’t moved on police reform—and in fact wants to give more money to the police, any trans rights efforts and was some how caught flat footed on abortion along with his failed economic agenda.

You brehs have the same logic as whites who arent wealthh but support the GOP do.

You're not even on topic anymore.

 

[Pressure]

Neoliberal ideology is a failure, not just in the US but across the globe. it’s not working and is accelerating through problems we are facing.

Republicans aren't running neoliberal economic theory?

 

[mastermind]

You're not even on topic anymore.

Nope, very much on topic. Way more than your decision to create an imaginary world where the people of this thread abandoned social policies Which no one ever said or believes.

Republicans aren't running neoliberal economic theory?

I literally sAid neoliberal policies are a failure across the globe. I dont care about a political party when I say that since most white, western governments in the global north run neoliberal economic policies, which are failing the world. and then force many global south countries to run those policies, which are failing the world.

 

[Pressure]

None of us have said that the Dems should abandon social issues, they should just abandon stupid ways of supporting social issues.

Imagine supporting Joe fukking Biden over Bernie and then claim that progressives are the ones who abandon social issues.

I supported Elizabeth Warren over both.

Biden, Obama, and Clinton compiled damn near 20 years of presidential rule, all three of them having legislative majorities for at least part of it, and accomplished damn near jack shyt on a single meaningful social issue. Only things that ever changed did so when the courts forced the issue despite their lack of help, not with it. Meanwhile Biden and the Clintons have a proud 50 year history of dropping racist dog whistles for political advantage. So respectfully, STFU on any false moral superiority here

You're now arguing that dems weren't focused on social issues enough?

Neoliberalism is a failed experiment and THAT is the largest reason why the Democrats have fukking ate shyt legislatively over the last 30 years despite two full generations of voters having come of age who want to support leftist positions but don't see them actually being offered.

Republicans whole platform is neoliberalism and dog whistles :



Neoliberalism is contemporarily used to refer to market-oriented reform policies such as "eliminating price controls, deregulating capital markets, lowering trade barriers" and reducing, especially through privatization and austerity, state influence in the economy.

 

[Pressure]

This is the part where we pretend that we aren't operating under the assumption that Republicans aren't the party of neoliberalism and that we aren't having this discussion about how "Middle America" votes for Republicans.

Y'all have fun. The sanctimonious boys are drunk posting

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

I’ll never forget the way Bernie abandoned working class black Americans during the primaries.

That wasn’t the behavior of an ally


Agree to disagree

 

[Pressure]

I remember when "working class" voters said the economy was a top priority and felt the economy was rigged for the rich and powerful.

Then they elected Trump and his merry band of bankers.

 

[Unemployed GM]

Focusing on the "white working class" is too broad. They need to target more narrow segments if they want to make gains.


* Continue to support unions (and not just union leadership)

* Economically support the working class who have genuine economic need at the bottom - minimum wage, health care, tax credits, etc.

* Support small business over large corporations

* Support small farmers over corporate farmers

* Work harder to improve education quality in low-income neighborhoods, including rural

* Support the indebted poor over creditors

* Support home ownership among the poor and renters' rights over landlords


Even if they can't win the ethereal "white working class", there are gains to be made still in all those segments. And if they can position themselves as essential to people's livelihoods in those areas then they'll lose less ground when it comes to culture wars.

This strategy has worked before. Remember that the Democrats held the House for 40 straight years until 1994. They were still winning presidential elections in West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Missouri, Arkansas, and Louisiana in 1996, Indiana and North Carolina in 2008, Iowa, Ohio, Florida, and Maine in 2012. They had a Kentucky senator until 1998, South Dakota and South Carolina until 2004, Nebraska until 2012, Montana, South Dakota, Iowa, Arkansas, Louisiana, West Virginia, and North Carolina until 2014, Missouri, Florida, Indiana, and North Dakota until 2018, and Alabama until 2020. They were still considered the pro-black, pro-immigrant, pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-gun party back then, they only won because at least some white people in certain states still put economic shyt first. It can happen again but Democrats need to deliver more than they have.

This is exactly the truth.

And you can tell a few people didn't read the article because that's what is said there as well. If you don't offer any solutions to people's current issues, then they will fall in line with their base-level instincts of disliking the other. The Dems haven't offered anything, and the GOP have offered hatred.

The irony is a lot of the people saying, "white people are white peopling" can't explain why Barack Obama was elected president twice, and can't tell you anything the Democrats have offered that materially bettered people's lives. The other irony is the GOP offering is more in line with their own thinking than they believe.

That was because black people voted for Obama in mass and the white population percentage was not what it used to be.

 

[CrimsonTider]

You ignored that he just pointed out to you that the strength of the New Deal helped carry huge contingencies of White working class voters for over 60 years, the majority of that AFTER the Democrats got behind the Civil Rights Movement and the Republicans went into full Southern Strategy mod
You also ignored that the Democrats started abandoning those "economic gains to everyone" during the Clinton Administration. Forcing through "welfare reform", caping for corporations, getting behind deregulation, pushing through "free trade deals" that did nothing to slow outsourcing. The average working-class voter feels abandoned by the democrats and not without reason.

Neoliberalism is a failed experiment and THAT is the largest reason why the Democrats have fukking ate shyt legislatively over the last 30 years despite two full generations of voters having come of age who want to support leftist positions but don't see them actually being offered.

I didn’t ignore a damn thing. You are wrong whether you want to admit it or not. You are trying to make a point about voting habits 60 years ago. You sound like a fukking idiot.


ACA is a vast improvement over how Medicare wss previously(something that clowns like you and mastermind will never admit) because it didn’t tear the system down. Did it Provide and white working class votes for the Dems? Hell No! Would Medicare for all? Hell No!

the thing that fails This country is white supremacy.

 

[CrimsonTider]

People like you are the reason Bozo Sanders got blown out twice in the primaries

They really think running on passing good policies will have racist voting for Dems

@Rhakim @mastermind are fukking clueless

dems just gave everyone $300 per child per month and tried to raise the fed min wage to $15 and they didn’t gain a single “white working class vote”. Those policies are putting cash in people hands

this man said they passed the new deal 60 years ago

this man said Alabama had dem senator in 2020



This is like a blizzaro TRL thread where they think if republicans weren’t racist black people would vote for them

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

I didn’t ignore a damn thing. You are wrong whether you want to admit it or not. You are trying to make a point about voting habits 60 years ago. You sound like a fukking idiot.


ACA is a vast improvement over how Medicare wss previously(something that clowns like you and mastermind will never admit) because it didn’t tear the system down. Did it Provide and white working class votes for the Dems? Hell No! Would Medicare for all? Hell No!

the thing that fails This country is white supremacy.

The system needs to be torn down though. It’s a trash system and one of the worst first world healthcare systems out there. Literally just built solely to fleece people of their money. Medical billing just by itself is a massive fukking scam

 

[CrimsonTider]

I supported Elizabeth Warren over both.


You're now arguing that dems weren't focused on social issues enough?


Republicans whole platform is neoliberalism and dog whistles :



Neoliberalism is contemporarily used to refer to market-oriented reform policies such as "eliminating price controls, deregulating capital markets, lowering trade barriers" and reducing, especially through privatization and austerity, state influence in the economy.

They’re all over the place. why is police reform and neo Liberalism being brought up.

Dems know they need their share of educated whites to show up to polls and energize enough young and minorities to show up And they can win most elections. Anyone who thinks their is some untapped potential votes with the white working class has never spent any meaningful time around these folks

 

[acri1]

They really think running on passing good policies will have racist voting for Dems

@Rhakim @mastermind are fukking clueless

dems just gave everyone $300 per child per month and tried to raise the fed min wage to $15 and they didn’t gain a single “white working class vote”. Those policies are putting cash in people hands

this man said they passed the new deal 60 years ago

this man said Alabama had dem senator in 2020



This is like a blizzaro TRL thread where they think if republicans weren’t racist black people would vote for them

Yeah...the way the world should be and the way it is are two different things.

I'm ALL for progressive economic policies (in fact I voted Bernie in the primaries twice...anybody can check the old threads if they don't believe me) I just think it's naive to think they're going to win over GOP voters. That's something I'd have thought when I was younger and more naive. They are just not going to like any social welfare programs (regardless of personal benefit) because it's seen as money going out of their pockets to lazy minorities.

Dems need to focus on getting their base (educated white voters, minorities, young voters) to vote consistently.


If Billy Bob at the coal mine wants to smarten up and vote in his interest, that's great, but you can't ignore your own voters to pander to those types.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Yeah...the way the world should be and the way it is are two different things.

I'm ALL for progressive economic policies (in fact I voted Bernie in the primaries twice...anybody can check the old threads if they don't believe me) I just think it's naive to think they're going to win over GOP voters. That's something I'd have thought when I was younger and more naive. They are just not going to like any social welfare programs (regardless of personal benefit) because it's seen as money going out of their pockets to lazy minorities.

Dems need to focus on getting their base (educated white voters, minorities, young voters) to vote consistently.


If Billy Bob at the coal mine wants to smarten up and vote in his interest, that's great, but you can't ignore your own voters to pander to those types.

The reason Dems can win states like NC and Georgia and not Bama and Mississippi is because there are enough educated whites in those states that are willing to vote democrat.

Proggressive are not concerned with winning elections. Their Policies would be the most beneficial but you got to have the power and votes to enact the policies.

 

[CrimsonTider]

The system needs to be torn down though. It’s a trash system and one of the worst first world healthcare systems out there. Literally just built solely to fleece people of their money. Medical billing just by itself is a massive fukking scam

Does anyone disagree with this?

You can’t change the system without the votes. win some statewide elections