Great article on white working class rejecting Dems

[CrimsonTider]

Go back to TLR breh, that's more your level.

I said the Dems had a senator in Alabama UNTIL 2020. Which they objectively did. If the Dems can rally enough votes that a minor scandal can get enough White Alabamans to switch sides and elect a democrat for Senator, then there's clearly gains to be made. That doesn't mean they'll win consistently in Alabama but they sure as hell can grab "some" white voters, which you claimed they couldn't.






Which the Dems have been doing since 1965. And yet they still have won numerous Southern elections since then.

Stop it bruh


They didn’t have a dem senator until 2020. . Doug Jones got elected in a special election running against a known pedophile and he didn’t win because white working class People voted for him. It’s because the Republican establishment in Alabama told their voters to not vote at allbecause the pedophile was on the ballot

This was Jeff Session seat anyway that he gave up to run the DOJ and it was illegally filled by the governor

Now you know I’m not a TLR politics poster but y’all are absolutely clueless if you think Dems can win over white working class voters.

 

[CrimsonTider]

The New Deal carried southern democrats damn near until 2000.

Anyone saying Dems shouldn’t offer economic gains to everyohe because ”whites are too racist” are the opps.

The Dems have always offered economic gains to everyone. White working class don’t give a fukk because they believe Dems are attacking their whiteness

It’s clear y’all have no idea how republicans voters operate or think. Y’all sound like a bunch of nikkas from DC, New York or cali

 

[Pressure]

The Dems have always offered economic gains to everyone. White working class don’t give a fukk because they believe Dems are attacking their whiteness

It’s clear y’all have no idea how republicans voters operate or think. Y’all sound like a bunch of nikkas from DC, New York or cali

I'm sold these guys don't spend time down south and actually speak with the folks voting for Republicans.

But most of these arguments operate on the premise that dems have a purely economic agenda and abandon social issues. Which is their ultimate goal. It's a remix of the failed Bernie trope that new voters would turn out. Now it's old voters will switch back.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Pretty much.

"Economic anxiety" was always

Us media stays giving these people all kinds of outs on what is at its core just fukking racism. It’s annoying, if these people actually have they wouldn’t vote against themselves. At their core all white people want is to feel superior over those filthy minorities and the GOP gives them that. They’ll live in a box of it means they’re never considered equal to minorities

 

[Gains]

I'm sold these guys don't spend time down south and actually speak with the folks voting for Republicans.

But most of these arguments operate on the premise that dems have a purely economic agenda and abandon social issues. Which is their ultimate goal. It's a remix of the failed Bernie trope that new voters would turn out. Now it's old voters will switch back.

strictly playing into white grievance politics will only get you so far

 

[Pressure]

strictly playing into white grievance politics will only get you so far

Conservatives are also running on dismantling the policies we're being told are winners.

Framing it as Republicans are merely running on white grievance politics is dishonest. In part because it suggests they're neutral on policies that would help.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Weirdos in here caping for the Klan

 

[Piff Perkins]

Yeah, I think thats always been the case but people inside of the DC bubble (politicians and media members) don't actually know what the working class is.

Even in that article, why aren't service workers considered working class? Hospitality workers? There are more of them than people working in factories.

The clout a few thousand Appalachian miners and southern factory workers get in these conversations is hilarious. Thee are way more hospitality and even medical working class (reception, MAs, PAs, etc) who largely vote democrat but it doesn't matter since they aren't out there shoveling coal....

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The clout a few thousand Appalachian miners and southern factory workers get in these conversations is hilarious. Thee are way more hospitality and even medical working class (reception, MAs, PAs, etc) who largely vote democrat but it doesn't matter since they aren't out there shoveling coal....

This is true. But I'd say current Democratic trajectory does put dangers on losing more of them.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

But most of these arguments operate on the premise that dems have a purely economic agenda and abandon social issues. Which is their ultimate goal. It's a remix of the failed Bernie trope that new voters would turn out. Now it's old voters will switch back.

None of us have said that the Dems should abandon social issues, they should just abandon stupid ways of supporting social issues.

Imagine supporting Joe fukking Biden over Bernie and then claim that progressives are the ones who abandon social issues.


Bernie has been ahead of your hacks on virtually every social issue out there. He was already supporting gay marriage back when Obama claimed he was against it for religious reasons. He was voting against the Defense of Marriage Act while the Clintons were proudly supporting it. He was talking about the impacts of Black incarceration when Biden was proudly writing one crime bill after another and Kamala was bragging about locking people up, and marching in the Civil Rights Movement against the very segregationists that Biden was so proud to have worked with and support on the anti-bussing issue. And lets not even get started on human rights and Israel or support for needless wars or Biden's weak-ass record on abortion.

Biden, Obama, and Clinton compiled damn near 20 years of presidential rule, all three of them having legislative majorities for at least part of it, and accomplished damn near jack shyt on a single meaningful social issue. Only things that ever changed did so when the courts forced the issue despite their lack of help, not with it. Meanwhile Biden and the Clintons have a proud 50 year history of dropping racist dog whistles for political advantage. So respectfully, STFU on any false moral superiority here.


Establishment dems use virtue signaling on social issues as a distraction to portray everyone else as the "bad guys" and deflect blame for not getting jack shyt done that will actually help their Black, Brown, or poor constituencies. THAT is what Bernie's supporters are calling them out on. It is pointless to waste capital on certain social issues for which they aren't actually going to get jack shyt done, it is often disadvantageous to push what they know to be marginal issues they don't have the support to do anything about at the expense of critical concerns that can actually help the people they pretend to want to vote for them.

 

[mastermind]

I'm sold these guys don't spend time down south and actually speak with the folks voting for Republicans.

But most of these arguments operate on the premise that dems have a purely economic agenda and abandon social issues. Which is their ultimate goal. It's a remix of the failed Bernie trope that new voters would turn out. Now it's old voters will switch back.

You’re a fukking idiot

Joe Biden is the president hasn’t moved on police reform—and in fact wants to give more money to the police, any trans rights efforts and was some how caught flat footed on abortion along with his failed economic agenda.

You brehs have the same logic as whites who arent wealthh but support the GOP do.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The Dems have always offered economic gains to everyone. White working class don’t give a fukk because they believe Dems are attacking their whiteness

You ignored that he just pointed out to you that the strength of the New Deal helped carry huge contingencies of White working class voters for over 60 years, the majority of that AFTER the Democrats got behind the Civil Rights Movement and the Republicans went into full Southern Strategy mode.

You also ignored that the Democrats started abandoning those "economic gains to everyone" during the Clinton Administration. Forcing through "welfare reform", caping for corporations, getting behind deregulation, pushing through "free trade deals" that did nothing to slow outsourcing. The average working-class voter feels abandoned by the democrats and not without reason.

Neoliberalism is a failed experiment and THAT is the largest reason why the Democrats have fukking ate shyt legislatively over the last 30 years despite two full generations of voters having come of age who want to support leftist positions but don't see them actually being offered.

 

[mastermind]

Neoliberal ideology is a failure, not just in the US but across the globe. it’s not working and is accelerating the problems we are facing.

 

[88m3]

You’re a fukking idiot

People like you are the reason Bozo Sanders got blown out twice in the primaries

 

[mastermind]

People like you are the reason Bozo Sanders got blown out twice in the primaries

You are the reason Hillary lost To Trump.