Giannis Antetokounmpo should now be in the lead for MVP. 🦌

[Biscayne]

Curry was 2xMVP and then he got KD.

LeBron had several cases but he wasn’t winning over Curry in 2015 or 2016. Or over KD in 2014. Or over Harden in 2018. LeBron won 4 MVPs in 5 years!

And Jokic is putting up numbers and his team has been leading the West. Classic MVP case.

LeBron has lead his teams in 60+ wins in multiple seasons. He was winning MVPs in an era where “best player/best team” was the rule. With Jokic, we’re seeing different iterations of him win MVP for different reasons year to year. It’s confusing. Is it based on overachieving with an underwhelming supporting cast regardless of record or seeding? Is it based on getting your team to a number 1 seed in the conference? The last half decade we’ve seen the most parity the NBA has seen in a while. So Jokic regular season numbers and performances stand out from the crowd and the history books. But again, we’ve seen single season all time performances get poo’d on and disregarded before.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Only 3x mvp without rings and nikkas caping for him not having rings

1990 MVP - Magic (went to Finals)
1991 MVP - Jordan (went to Finals, won)
1992 MVP - Jordan (went to Finals, won)
1993 MVP - Barkley (went to Finals)
1994 MVP - Olajuwon (went to Finals, won)
1995 MVP - Robinson (went to Finals)
1996 MVP - Jordan (went to Finals, won)
1997 MVP - Malone (went to Finals)
1998 MVP - Jordan (went to Finals, won)
1999 MVP - Malone (didn't make Finals but, went previous year)
2000 MVP - Shaq (went to Finals, won)
2001 MVP - Iverson (went to Finals)
2002 MVP - Duncan (didn't make Finals)
2003 MVP - Duncan (went to Finals, won)
2004 MVP - Garnett (didn't make Finals)
2005 MVP - Steve Nash
2006 MVP - Steve Nash
2007 MVP - Nowitzki (didn't make Finals but, went previous year)
2008 MVP - Kobe (went to Finals)
2009 MVP - LeBron (didn't make Finals but, went in 2007)
2010 MVP - LeBron (didn't make Finals but, went in 2007)
2011 MVP - Rose (didn't make Finals)
2012 MVP - LeBron (went to Finals, won)
2013 MVP - LeBron (went to Finals, won)
2014 MVP - Durant (didn't make Finals but, went in 2012)
2015 MVP - Steph (went to Finals, won)
2016 MVP - Steph (went to Finals)
2017 MVP - Russ (didn't make Finals but, went in 2012, kinda weak though I admit)
2018 MVP - Harden (didn't make Finals)
2019 MVP - Giannis (didn't make Finals)
2020 MVP - Giannis (didn't make Finals but, won the next year)
2021 MVP - Joker (didn't make Finals)
2022 MVP - Joker (didn't make Finals)


Most of the MVPs going back to 1990 either won a ring the same year they won MVP, or made an appearance at the Finals. The others at least won or made an appearance at the Finals a year or so after. When the MVP winner goes on to compete for a championship or goes to win the championship, it shows that the media is truly picking the best players in the league. If Joker doesn't at least make a Finals appearance in the next year or so, he will be the ONLY one on this list to win multiple awards and not go to the championship outside of Steve Nash

 

[Paper Boi]

Top G

 

[gtj1982]

When it's the 500th thread with the same arguments making an absolute case for Giannis that excludes Joker from the convo....

Uhhhh

Duhhhhh

I really just don't know

I'm so confused

Wait is it about da playoffs or regular season?

what do yoo think bout da fatigue?

what will we tell da children about these 3 years?

so what the nuggets are the #1 seed they wasn't #1 last year

oh look the bucks are #1 now so you better be consistent

if you don't count Magic Johnson only da white boys win mvp when they don't average 29.5 ppg

jokic should be in jail for what he did do da morris twin



Ain't nobody gonna seriously engage none of this embarrassing shyt.

KEEP CRYING

won the last 16
1st in the league in the Standing.

Jokic is nice

Joel is consistent

But what Giannis is doing right now is incredible

Let's talk about it and cuss each other out

That was the OP. It just stated the case for Giannis. It mentions Jokic and Embid the other two popular contenders for MVP. Please point out the hate. Not everyone is going to automatically crown Jokic MVP. Y’all treating this shyt like he Jesus and no one shall speak against him. We already know he is going to win it but that doesn’t mean other players aren’t making a case to be the MVP.

 

[Depreciating Asset]

Jokic deserves it at this point of the season. My argument is he shouldn't have won it last year, thats where the media fukked up

My argument is that he deserved it last year and does this year but not the year before.

This mvp conversation is way too subjective and has been since Karl Malone won in the 90s. I just hate the way defense is ignored every year.

It should be that you vote strictly based on offense and multiply those votes times 50% and then vote based on defense and multiply that times 50%. Do some adjustment discount factor for minutes played and voila, you have your MVP.

 

[get these nets]

My argument is that he deserved it last year and does this year but not the year before.

This mvp conversation is way too subjective and has been since Karl Malone won in the 90s. I just hate the way defense is ignored every year.

It should be that you vote strictly based on offense and multiply those votes times 50% and then vote based on defense and multiply that times 50%. Do some adjustment discount factor for minutes played and voila, you have your MVP.

But there is a DPOY Award. By default, the MVP award is the offensive player of the year award.

 

[Biscayne]

My argument is that he deserved it last year and does this year but not the year before.

This mvp conversation is way too subjective and has been since Karl Malone won in the 90s. I just hate the way defense is ignored every year.

It should be that you vote strictly based on offense and multiply those votes times 50% and then vote based on defense and multiply that times 50%. Do some adjustment discount factor for minutes played and voila, you have your MVP.

You hate Joker becuze hes white!! Reverse racists! You racist hotep!!

 

[Originalman]

My argument is that he deserved it last year and does this year but not the year before.

This mvp conversation is way too subjective and has been since Karl Malone won in the 90s. I just hate the way defense is ignored every year.

It should be that you vote strictly based on offense and multiply those votes times 50% and then vote based on defense and multiply that times 50%. Do some adjustment discount factor for minutes played and voila, you have your MVP.

Its crazy cause with black players their lack of defense always gets brought up. I brought this up years ago how when young and prime version of Melo was in Denver and then NY the media would always question his defense (and his lack of playmaking ability when he wasn't a point forward like Lebron) when the MVP votes would come up. Even though melo actually guarded his position (SF) and wasn't hidden on defense. Yet when prime Dirk or prime Nash were brought up in the MVP voting their lack of defense, not being able to guard their position and them being a liability on defense where their coaches had to hide them on defense was almost never brought when it came time to vote.

 

[Lil Bape the PostGod]

And to think he’s doing this without having any skill

 

[Originalman]

1990 MVP - Magic (went to Finals)
1991 MVP - Jordan (went to Finals, won)
1992 MVP - Jordan (went to Finals, won)
1993 MVP - Barkley (went to Finals)
1994 MVP - Olajuwon (went to Finals, won)
1995 MVP - Robinson (went to Finals)
1996 MVP - Jordan (went to Finals, won)
1997 MVP - Malone (went to Finals)
1998 MVP - Jordan (went to Finals, won)
1999 MVP - Malone (didn't make Finals but, went previous year)
2000 MVP - Shaq (went to Finals, won)
2001 MVP - Iverson (went to Finals)
2002 MVP - Duncan (didn't make Finals)
2003 MVP - Duncan (went to Finals, won)
2004 MVP - Garnett (didn't make Finals)
2005 MVP - Steve Nash
2006 MVP - Steve Nash
2007 MVP - Nowitzki (didn't make Finals but, went previous year)
2008 MVP - Kobe (went to Finals)
2009 MVP - LeBron (didn't make Finals but, went in 2007)
2010 MVP - LeBron (didn't make Finals but, went in 2007)
2011 MVP - Rose (didn't make Finals)
2012 MVP - LeBron (went to Finals, won)
2013 MVP - LeBron (went to Finals, won)
2014 MVP - Durant (didn't make Finals but, went in 2012)
2015 MVP - Steph (went to Finals, won)
2016 MVP - Steph (went to Finals)
2017 MVP - Russ (didn't make Finals but, went in 2012, kinda weak though I admit)
2018 MVP - Harden (didn't make Finals)
2019 MVP - Giannis (didn't make Finals)
2020 MVP - Giannis (didn't make Finals but, won the next year)
2021 MVP - Joker (didn't make Finals)
2022 MVP - Joker (didn't make Finals)


Most of the MVPs going back to 1990 either won a ring the same year they won MVP, or made an appearance at the Finals. The others at least won or made an appearance at the Finals a year or so after. When the MVP winner goes on to compete for a championship or goes to win the championship, it shows that the media is truly picking the best players in the league. If Joker doesn't at least make a Finals appearance in the next year or so, he will be the ONLY one on this list to win multiple awards and not go to the championship outside of Steve Nash

Great breakdown! Though one caveat in 1995 Robinson made it to the western conference finals (like Garnett in 2004) but didn't make it to the finals (it was Hakeem with Houston vs Shaq in Orlando). Also in 1990 Magic won the MVP but lost in the second round vs the suns. In 1990 the Trailblazers and the Pistons played in the finals (this was the year the pistons won back to back). Though there was some controversy in that MVP race cause the trailblazers had the best record and many thought that Clyde should have won MVP. But that was the year the Lakers played without Kareem cause he retired and Magic upped his scoring and the lakers basically didn't miss a beat in the regular season (though their lack of size would catch up to them in the playoffs that year vs the suns although magic was unstoppable in that series scoring and passing).

 

[HabitualChiller]

Are Embiid and Gianni’s not deserving? They’ve both had great seasons thus far. Embiid even playing Joker head to head had an incredible game. It could be either one of the 4. Tatum, Embiid, Joker, Giannis. But I think brehs feel as though sports media has chosen their “guy” so to speak. That’s where the pushback comes from.

This! These nikkas pretty much crowned Jokic back in fukking December.

Another issue is that this dude is the beneficiary of the media inexplicably changing their standards in regards to crowning MVPs. If you got knocked out prior to the conference finals after winning an MVP or two, they'd make every excuse in the book not to give you another one unless you won a Finals.

Suddenly, they got this kat penciled in for #3 in a row in the damn winter.

Funny thing is, I'd take Boston, Philly and Milwaukee over Denver in large part because I think the latter two have a better star player.

 

[THE 101]

God damn if Jokic even defended 5% as hard as his supporters have in this thread the Nuggets may have avoided that gentleman's sweep by the Warriors last year

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

God damn if Jokic even defended 5% as hard as his supporters have in this thread the Nuggets may have avoided that gentleman's sweep by the Warriors last year

Celtics came out the East with a healthy roster and only took two games off the Warriors. I'd say Jokic without his #2 and #3 guys did pretty well to even take one off GS.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This! These nikkas pretty much crowned Jokic back in fukking December.

Another issue is that this dude is the beneficiary of the media inexplicably changing their standards in regards to crowning MVPs. If you got knocked out prior to the conference finals after winning an MVP or two, they'd make every excuse in the book not to give you another one unless you won a Finals.

Suddenly, they got this kat penciled in for #3 in a row in the damn winter

Players get crowned in December all the damn time. There's always a frontrunner(s) - it's no different to every other season. You're acting like the last two seasons he hasn't been a footnote in the MVP race until the second half of the season.

Last year it was Steph and Durant who were getting all the attention to start the season,, and then Giannis was pushed to the top. It wasn't until January that the media actually started paying attention to what he was doing.

The strawmen bullshyt y'all come up with is hilarious.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The season before was was a debatable race. Had Jokic did all he did this year, without already being crowned two MVPs, do you think he’d be getting as much pushback? The pushback comes from his previous two moreso than this one. This is his most clear and away deserving MVP just based on the metrics and having his team number one in the west. LeBron is a polarizing figure on this board. Whether he doesn’t get the same pushback that Jokic gets specifically for his race, doesn’t mean there haven’t been worthy black MVP winners who haven’t had their winning be delegitimized or questioned.

There's been pushback the last two years when he won purely because folks don't like seeing a fat white boy dominate the league. It's why they invent strawmen and these hollow talking points to back their position. You obviously haven't been paying enough attention to what's been said on this board.

Again, I think the defense of Jokic has much to do with ppl just being fed up with militants, more than anything and just wanting to appear super objective compared to the typical race arguments. Damn near every player who has won MVP(black or white) has had their award delegitimized because of an underwhelming post season run. And these are guys who only have one MVP to their name. Again, nobody is really jumping to Westbrooks defense. The consensus(on this board and outside of it) seems to be that he statpadded his way to an undeserved MVP. How much more hate is Jokic getting over past winners relative to the acclaim he gets from media and voters?

The bullshyt y'all tell yourselves.

The defense of Jokic is about defending someone who is deserving of winning. No different to anyone else who would be defended if they deserved to win. This is some gaslighting ass shyt you're doing here. As if Jokic's play didn't fall off or another candidate played better we'd start ignoring the reality of it. That's the entire point to shedding light on these keyboard militants' behavior, is that they're not living in this reality. They're living in one they conjured up in their own rockheads.