Gil Scott-Heroin
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That stat doesn't imply Jokic is "the best basketball player of all time", or anything remotely close to it, no matter how you're falsely interpreting it to layer whatever bullshyt agenda you have. It's not an outlier because plus/minus total always has players from the same teams within proximity of one another, given there's always five players on the floor and naturally that is going to crossover in their net ratings.I don't need to use my degree to tell you that a chubby balding man from Eastern Europe is probably not the best basketball player of all time. which is what those advanced metrics are implying. It's just common sense. If this activity was not an outlier, there should be a trend forming with other players. The top five playmakers in the league should have their guys having similar metrics. But, the data isn't showing that. Only the Nuggets players were head and shoulders above everyone else. That implies that Jokic is magnitudes higher as a playmaker than LeBron, Doncic, Harden and CP3 and you expect to be taken seriously
No, the top-5 playmakers should not be rated similar in plus/minus, again, because there are a number of variables in play here. If those playmakers aren't on teams where they have a similar win-rate to Jokic, then it only stands to reason their net-ratings aren't going to be similar, because they're losing more. LeBron and CP3 can't even elevate their team like they used to because they're at the end of their careers.
Jokic is definitively more impactful player than all those four.
Nobody in their right mind would even bring up the 2023 version of CP3 and compare him with Jokic - he's a shell of his former self and can't dominate a game like he did in 2017 when he was one of the league-leaders (where he, JJ, Jordan and Blake were all in the top-10).
The stat isn't just about Jokic's ability as a playmaker, but it's his ability to control the game by any means necessary; it's one of the reasons why he's the most efficient volume scorer in the league. Which to put into perspective, he leads the league with a 70 TS%, and Giannis is ranked 68th with only a 60 TS%. Not only is he the best playmaker in the league, but he's scoring at an efficiency that dwarfs his competition.
Essentially, he's the best of both worlds.
This is what allows him to elevate all the lineups he's in, which he has done for the last half a decade.
This is some elementary, ABC argument that is so vague in its context that it's laughable. Embarrassingly laughable. It's ridiculous that you'd even think it has any relevance here. You're constantly deviating from the discussion where you once again are incapable of addressing what plus/minus actually is, all because you're too insecure to admit you don't know.And as far as your MVP comment, unlike you flapping your gums with no data to back up anything you said, I went back 30 years and posted every MVP winner since 1990 and the LIONSHARE of the MVP winners either won a championship or went to the Finals the year they were selected as MVP or won/made a Finals appearance a year before/after. Jokic has been to none. The only other multiple MVP winner like that is Steve Nash. Multiple MVP winners such as Steph, LeBron, Duncan, Jordan, Malone have all been to the big dance. There's nothing to argue here. That's factual information dumbass
That's how you make a real argument. You back up what you saying with something. You just talking to hear yourself talk.
You don't even watch hoops, so I don't even know what the fukk you're even trying to prove here.
There's no need to continue this any further. I don't need to keep reading you digging a hole with your shovel of ignorance.
