Giannis Antetokounmpo should now be in the lead for MVP. 🦌

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

That one triple double would’ve had no impact on voting. Jokic gonna get his 3rd. Why are you pressed?

I couldn't give a fukk about the triple double.

But here's the thing, one of the biggest narratives surrounding Jokic's MVP case this season has been his triple doubles. Now, if Jokic committed an act like this you'd have a movement on here about how this act proves that he's actually stat-padding for triple doubles, and that therefore means he isn't deserving because his campaign is built on a lie.

I've seen the same type of argument used against Jokic and how the Nuggets are manipulating lineups to make sure he has better "analytics" numbers, so if they got their teeth into something like this (where Jokic is blatantly stat-padding), they wouldn't let it go.

 

[Ozymandeas]

This is a highly compelling argument. It doesn't even have to be on purpose, could just be the byproduct of unimaginative coaching. But damn this is hard to disprove

Very compelling. The entire starting squad for the Denver Nuggets shouldn't have better advanced numbers than the rest of the league. The star player? Yes. Role players? No. Nikkas talk stats all day but, can't spot an outlier

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Very compelling. The entire starting squad for the Denver Nuggets shouldn't have better advanced numbers than the rest of the league. The star player? Yes. Role players? No. Nikkas talk stats all day but, can't spot an outlier

Do you know how plus/minus works?

 

[987654321]

Greek fakkit? What the fukk?

It’s because of the 7/10 over the last 3 seasons. If Trae wasn’t already deputy mayor I’d have to call it “New Yannis City”, in the vein of “LeBronto”/Toronto. I can empathize, Miami kind of does this to the Hawks.

Spoiler

Plus this….

 

[Yapdatfool]

Disgusting stat-padding to get a triple double. Basketball Gods will end up remembering this. This y'all MVP?

One the one hand

On the other hand NEGGED for invoking basketball god retribution

 

[Ozymandeas]

Do you know how plus/minus works?

Do you how statistics works? Your dumb ass is not disproving all that man’s research with two sentences.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Do you how statistics works? Your dumb ass is not disproving all that man’s research with two sentences.

I'll take that as a no then.

Probably best to sit this one out and let the grown folks talk.

 

[Ozymandeas]

I'll take that as a no then.

Probably best to sit this one out and let the grown folks talk.

Let me help you out dikk face.

See all of the distribution. That's most NBA teams. That red circle is the Denver Nuggets. Something is not right

And it's not because Joker is the best NBA player of all time

 

[Conan]

I can’t with these users. shyt is wild. On a website full of many different Stan’s and alliances, damn near every MVP winner has had yes men and naysayers. On and off this site. It’s rare to have an MVP where EVERYONE unanimously agrees it should be that guy. Hell yeah, a lot of brehs are hating because he’s a pudgy euro polar bear. Same way, hella brehs hate on Bron because he’s bron, hate on Embiid because he’s an oft injured perennial post season underachiever(and don’t think for a sec this doesn’t effect how fans view who should be their MVP), same way brehs hate on Harden and his MVP for damn near the same reason “Ok harden got his MVP, but we know breh ain’t gonna do shyt in the playoffs”, same reason brehs hate YoungSabo and saw his MVP as shameless Ricky Davis level statpadding. Same way Bron Stan’s hate on Steph because he stood in Brons way to more rings. Same way brehs hated on KD for teaming up with Steph. I guess in their eyes, Jokic is just too “pure” to be above the fray and shameless arguments.

All these people you mention sound like stunted retards who hate basketball.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Let me help you out dikk face.

See all of the distribution. That's most NBA teams. That red circle is the Denver Nuggets. Something is not right

And it's not because Joker is the best NBA player of all time

It's patently obvious you don't know what you're talking about, as is the case every time I see you post. You gon' do your thang - whatever it is.

 

[Ozymandeas]

It's patently obvious you don't know what you're talking about, as is the case every time I see you post. You gon' do your thang - whatever it is.

Stop before I really start clowning you, man

You not important. You think you are for some reason on here

I just find your dismissal of that man's research amusing. You said absolutely nothing meaningful to disprove what he wrote. There's only two conclusions to why the Nugget's advanced metrics are off the charts compared to other teams and that's either Jokic is better at elevating players than EVERYONE ELSE in the league (which is implausible) or something else is going on.

Edit:

Weren't you the same corny ass dude calling for Kyrie to get suspended only to run out the thread after getting negged to the shadow realm

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Stop before I really start clowning you, man

I don't even need to lace them up for a cracka like you.

You not important. You think you are for some reason on here

The fact I asked you a simple question about if you knew what plus/minus is, and not only couldn't you answer it, twice, you instead deflected with these generalities as if that's not the oldest trick in the playbook when you're ignorant of something, but wanna keep up appearances because you're too insecure to just admit you don't know what you're talking about.

I just find your dismissal of that man's research amusing. You said absolutely nothing meaningful to disprove what he wrote

That's not "research".

He manipulated plus/minus to tell himself a story when he doesn't even know how to contextualize the stat properly. He's a Giannis stan that's in his feelings, and is seeking some confirmation where he'll grab onto anything and twist it into a manner to where he can justify his hate. Anybody that knows anything about basketball and the stat, itself, would know he's talking bullshyt. It's not hard to disarm an argument as weak as that. Which I did.

You don't understand the stat (just like he doesn't), and that is why you don't think I disproved anything, which comes as no surprise because I've seen you in these threads typing all types of nonsense about Jokic's MVP campaign.

There's only two conclusions to why the Nugget's advanced metrics are off the charts compared to other teams and that's either Jokic is better at elevating players than EVERYONE ELSE in the league (which is implausible) or something else is going on.

Why is it implausible?

Detail why you believe the best playmaker in the league isn't capable of elevating his teammates and the lineups he's in more than every other player?

There are an infinite amount of factors at play here, and they're not as black and white as you're making it seem. Again, you'd know this if you knew how to contextualize the stat properly.

Edit:

Weren't you the same corny ass dude calling for Kyrie to get suspended only to run out the thread after getting negged to the shadow realm

No, I didn't call for Kyrie to be suspended. And no, I didn't get run out of any thread. And no, nobody was negging me.

But it's funny how you interpreted it in that manner when he did actually get suspended, and as we all saw ended up being the main reason for all the turmoil over the last couple of years. I was the one who bumped all those threads because I was proven right after he forced a trade to get outta BK. Did you really think you had something bringing this irrelevant topic up? Do you think it's lost on me that you're trying to sidetrack the discussion with this out of sheer desperation because you don't know what you're talking about?

 

[HTXBreh]

3x MVP thats been dominated by other candidates in head to head matchups.Giannis and Embiid routinely shyt on him.The media hype of passing and rebounding.

 

[Ozymandeas]

I don't even need to lace them up for a cracka like you.



The fact I asked you a simple question about if you knew what plus/minus is, and not only couldn't you answer it, twice, you instead deflected with these generalities as if that's not the oldest trick in the playbook when you're ignorant of something, but wanna keep up appearances because you're too insecure to just admit you don't know what you're talking about.

That's not "research".

He manipulated plus/minus to tell himself a story when he doesn't even know how to contextualize the stat properly. He's a Giannis stan that is in his feelings and is desperately seeking some confirmation and will grab onto anything and twist it into a manner to where he can justify his hate. Anybody that knows anything about basketball and the stat, itself, would know he's talking bullshyt. It's not hard to disarm an argument as weak as that. Which I did.

You don't understand the stat (just like he doesn't), and that is why you don't think I disproved anything, which comes as no surprise because I've seen you in these threads typing all types of nonsense about Jokic's MVP campaign.

Why is it implausible?

Detail why you believe the best playmaker in the league isn't capable of elevating his teammates and the lineups he's in more than every other player?

There are an infinite amount of factors at play here, and they're not as black and white as you're making it seem. Again, you'd know this if you knew how to contextualize the stat properly.

No, I didn't call for Kyrie to be suspended. And no, nobody was negging me.

But it's funny how you interpreted it in that manner when he did actually get suspended, and as we all saw ended up being the main reason for all the turmoil over the last couple of years. I was the one who bumped all those threads because I was proven right after he forced a trade to get outta BK. Did you really think you had something bringing this irrelevant topic up? Do you think it's lost on me that you're trying to sidetrack the discussion with this out of sheer desperation because you don't know what you're talking about?

You feelings hurt

And yes, that was you in the Kyrie threads

I don't need to use my degree to tell you that a chubby balding man from Eastern Europe is probably not the best basketball player of all time. which is what those advanced metrics are implying. It's just common sense. If this activity was not an outlier, there should be a trend forming with other players. The top five playmakers in the league should have their guys having similar metrics. But, the data isn't showing that. Only the Nuggets players were head and shoulders above everyone else. That implies that Jokic is magnitudes higher as a playmaker than LeBron, Doncic, Harden and CP3 and you expect to be taken seriously

And as far as your MVP comment, unlike you flapping your gums with no data to back up anything you said, I went back 30 years and posted every MVP winner since 1990 and the LIONSHARE of the MVP winners either won a championship or went to the Finals the year they were selected as MVP or won/made a Finals appearance a year before/after. Jokic has been to none. The only other multiple MVP winner like that is Steve Nash. Multiple MVP winners such as Steph, LeBron, Duncan, Jordan, Malone have all been to the big dance. There's nothing to argue here. That's factual information dumbass

That's how you make a real argument. You back up what you saying with something. You just talking to hear yourself talk.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

3x MVP thats been dominated by other candidates in head to head matchups.Giannis and Embiid routinely shyt on him.The media hype of passing and rebounding.

This is a cotdamn lie.

Giannis and Jokic haven't played each other this year, and last season they only played each other once and Jokic and the Nuggets completely dominated Giannis and the Bucks. I remember watching that game and Giannis had absolutely no answer for him who completely tore the Bucks apart in a 35-point win. The year before that, Jokic dominated Giannis again, in another 30-point win (15-23 from the field for 37 points), and the other game the Bucks won despite Jokic being the leading scorer for both teams with 35 points on 13-26 field goals.

Jokic is 2-1 against Giannis over the last three seasons (with two 30+ point wins) and he's been the best player in every single one of those matchups.