Fueled by Bribes, Somalia’s Election Seen as Milestone of Corruption (Farmaajo is Somali President!)

[thatrapsfan]

You need stop being so regressive sxb. You know as well as I do that there is no logical reason to carve up the country more than it already has been. Once you unleash this kind of thinking, every sub-sub-sub-clan will demand independence. Bal take your argument to its logical conclusion ninyow.

We need unification and reconciliation, not to be stuck on this xoolonimo that you're preaching under the guise of "real politik".

This nikka is arguing for Ethiopia, a country with vast ethnic, cultural and religious differences, to stay united and wants every Somali tuulo to claim independence.. because.. you know.. "kacaan propaganda"

Man the irony of you arguing I'm regressive while you say ish like who cares about 15 percent of the population.

You gotta keep making up stuff about my argument (you must be cadcad, you are arguing for every tuulo be independent)

Somalia can achieve real reconciliation and prosper with a political mindset that isn't wedded to the Cold War era or even before that. The nationalism you think is the solution is an ancient one that doesnt exist or work anymore. The country will turn a corner when we have politicians who stop looking to the Kacaan era or even before that for any inspiration on how to operate.

 

[Karb]

This nikka is seriously claiming that the kacaan regime did not acknowledge the existence of Maay speakers, Bantus and cadcads even as these people were known to all Somalis + the international community which had vested interests in Somalia (especially the ex-colonizers).

One of the largest cities in Somalia, Baidoa, is entirely Maay ffs

How the fukk would this propaganda effort even work in practice?

They had positions in the administration and some of the wealthiest families were from those groups, not to mention the most popular singers and entertainers. People in the South were no strangers to Maay speakers, Bantus and the like.

Maybe jaalle Siad went to the South like

The kacaan regime promoted nationalism. Clearly they acknowledged that there were minorities so their claims to homogeneity were about the vast majority of Somalis.

Teeda kalena it's debatable whether Maay speakers even constitute a separate ethnic group and whether or not Maay is a dialect of Somali or an entirely different language. If we follow what most linguists say (that it's a dialect), that would destroy the claim that they are a distinct group of people like the cadcads and Bantus, which would bring down the number of ethnic minorites to about 5%

We're as homogenous as it can get

 

[Karb]

Man the irony of you arguing I'm regressive while you say ish like who cares about 15 percent of the population.

You gotta keep making up stuff about my argument (you must be cadcad, you are arguing for every tuulo be independent)

Somalia can achieve real reconciliation and prosper with a political mindset that isn't wedded to the Cold War era or even before that. The nationalism you think is the solution is an ancient one that doesnt exist or work anymore. The country will turn a corner when we have politicians who stop looking to the Kacaan era or even before that for any inspiration on how to operate.

Never said we shouldn't care about ethnic minorities.

and you're accusing me of misrepresenting your argument

Let's just agree to disagree sxb

At least we both agree on one thing: there's finally a bit of hope after the election. Things are moving in the right direction, albeit very slowly

Let us rejoice, my brother

 

[Grano-Grano]

No matter what the ethnic origin is. If wasn't in the last hundred years. If they speak af-somali, worship Allah and are wadani. They are Somali. We can't afford qabayalad anymore. The different caste groups is more repressive and jaahil than qabiil itself.

 

[FaTaL]

Cliff notes?

 

[theworldismine13]

Cliff notes?

some dude from Buffalo NY won

http://www.thecoli.com/posts/23188772/

 

[RadaMillz]

some dude from Buffalo NY won

http://www.thecoli.com/posts/23188772/

In addition

He was prime minister for about 8 months before he was fired in 2011/12

Basically they thought he was weak and corrupt when they gave him a job but in short time he was cracking down on bribery, calling out the UN officials representing Somalia while based in foreign countries. He started paying the soldiers and the police department on monthly bases. This left a bad taste in a lot of folks mouth as he was fuking up their pockets.

They got together, pulled strings and ended up firing him.

The people never forgot tho!

 

[FAH1223]

If our only option is the Westerners, then we can say hello to another decade of being AMISOM's bytch, some IMF loans with all kinds of BS strings attached (SAP's) which will destroy our local industries and flood our markets with cheap grain etc.. we have to be realistic.

This is why we need to get stability and get the Chinese back in play. They built the roads and some infrastructure in the 70s under Mao.

But their development projects don't hire locally and that's the biggest drawback

Countries like Turkey and China bring tangible things.

Countries like US, UK are putting billions in the country but you don't see it.

 

[thatrapsfan]

No matter what the ethnic origin is. If wasn't in the last hundred years. If they speak af-somali, worship Allah and are wadani. They are Somali. We can't afford qabayalad anymore. The different caste groups is more repressive and jaahil than qabiil itself.

All people who live within Somalia's borders are citizens and I agree ethnic origin or tribe shouldnt matter.


But Somali ethnicity and citizenship should not be interchangeable. Theres no reason why someone who lives in Djibouti or NFD should be considered more Somali than a Jareerweyne in Kismayo or Jowhar. Thats how its played out since independence though.

 

[thatrapsfan]

Gabre with Farmaajo. I dont think theres anything wrong this but if you brehs dont calm down with the rah rah nationalism, you will be disappointed fast.

 

[Trajan]

Gabre with Farmaajo. I dont think theres anything wrong this but if you brehs dont calm down with the rah rah nationalism, you will be disappointed fast.

He was always going to linger around. I didn't expect an overnight revolution. There are a lot of deep seeded interests in Somalia and they won't go away easily.

But it is definitely a step in the right direction. Hopefully it will encourage other politicians to step their game once they see how much even small gestures mean to the public. Way better to have that kind of reputation than stealing a few Ms and then somehow losing it within a year or two. Sidenote: why do Somali politicians always end up broke so quickly

Sheikh Sharif was reputed to have $30m in 2012...two years later he's walking around

But I digress lol. Speaking for myself I think a lot of people are cheering for the breath of fresh air. Hassan Sheikh would've meant a slow death. Country was stagnant and I don't see what he would've done in more 4 years that he hadn't done yet. The status quo is terrible. Sland is frozen, People living under shabab are frozen, AMISOM just collecting paychecks with no new gains nor any intention to build SNA capability in sight.

 

[FAH1223]

Gabre with Farmaajo. I dont think theres anything wrong this but if you brehs dont calm down with the rah rah nationalism, you will be disappointed fast.

Gabre looked like a Hillary supporter on election night yesterday

 

[thatrapsfan]

He was always going to linger around. I didn't expect an overnight revolution. There are a lot of deep seeded interests in Somalia and they won't go away easily.

But it is definitely a step in the right direction. Hopefully it will encourage other politicians to step their game once they see how much even small gestures mean to the public. Way better to have that kind of reputation than stealing a few Ms and then somehow losing it within a year or two. Sidenote: why do Somali politicians always end up broke so quickly

Sheikh Sharif was reputed to have $30m in 2012...two years later he's walking around

But I digress lol. Speaking for myself I think a lot of people are cheering for the breath of fresh air. Hassan Sheikh would've meant a slow death. Country was stagnant and I don't see what he would've done in more 4 years that he hadn't done yet. The status quo is terrible. Sland is frozen, People living under shabab are frozen, AMISOM just collecting paychecks with no new gains nor any intention to build SNA capability in sight.

Trust me Im happy and optimistic as well. The whole idea of a candidate that is widely popular across regions/clans is unprecedented. Im also very happy that politics has gotten people back home optimistic for a change.

Im just saying we must manage expectations or you will see people calling him a hypocrite/sellout in record time.

 

[FAH1223]

He was always going to linger around. I didn't expect an overnight revolution. There are a lot of deep seeded interests in Somalia and they won't go away easily.

But it is definitely a step in the right direction. Hopefully it will encourage other politicians to step their game once they see how much even small gestures mean to the public. Way better to have that kind of reputation than stealing a few Ms and then somehow losing it within a year or two. Sidenote: why do Somali politicians always end up broke so quickly

Sheikh Sharif was reputed to have $30m in 2012...two years later he's walking around

But I digress lol. Speaking for myself I think a lot of people are cheering for the breath of fresh air. Hassan Sheikh would've meant a slow death. Country was stagnant and I don't see what he would've done in more 4 years that he hadn't done yet. The status quo is terrible. Sland is frozen, People living under shabab are frozen, AMISOM just collecting paychecks with no new gains nor any intention to build SNA capability in sight.

Ending AMISOM mandate has to be a priority

 

[thatrapsfan]

Somali politicians end up broke because they have a massive circle of dependence that relies on their patronage. Have you ever heard of how packed the offices of new PMs/Presidents are the moment they get elected, with their clansmen asking for handouts

Farmaajo must ensure he doesnt succumb to pressure from his clan to staff his office with them or people will sour quick.