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First Take Debate: Lebron or Steph; Who has been the MVP over the last 10 seasons
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Who would beat LeBron if he was on those Warriors teams?
Using team performance as the basis for assessing individual greatness is inherently hypothetical.
threattonature
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I got Curry. The difference between them to me is that Lebron raises the floor. You're not going to be a bad team with Bron ball. He'll at least have you as a contender every year. But he also limits the ceiling because you aren't getting the best out of everyone on the team. Bron works the best with players that fit into the system and can be productive without the ball in their hands as much.
Steph I think can fit in any system. He's shown he can succeed in fast paced or half court offenses. He can be the center of offenses with or without the ball in his hand.
In all the hypotheticals we don't know if Dray, Klay, Wiggins, Poole become the players they became because they wouldn't be empowered to expand their games as Lebron would be doing everything on offense limiting their chances to grow their games.
Obviously Bron has the greater overall career and his higher in GOAT standings. In the last 10 though Steph owns that.
Steph I think can fit in any system. He's shown he can succeed in fast paced or half court offenses. He can be the center of offenses with or without the ball in his hand.
In all the hypotheticals we don't know if Dray, Klay, Wiggins, Poole become the players they became because they wouldn't be empowered to expand their games as Lebron would be doing everything on offense limiting their chances to grow their games.
Obviously Bron has the greater overall career and his higher in GOAT standings. In the last 10 though Steph owns that.
Peruvian Connect
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Nobody is taking Draymond & Klay over Bosh, Wade, Love, Kyrie & AD in their primes.
Steph can't fit into any system. He need multiple defenders to cover for him, he needs an elite playmaker who can get him the ball and playmake, he needs multiple shot creators who can spread the floor for him
LMFAO do y'all even pay attention to basketball? My god
Wade, Bosh, and Love were past their prime. AD and Kyrie and proven to lead teams to LOTTERRY PICKS as solo stars. Y'all seriously make this thing too fukn easy with this chit
I rest my case
You kats that voted no are on some other shyt imo.
If you're looking at who was the Most Valuable Player from 2013-2022, then it'd go like this:
2013 - Bron (Prime Bron. All that needs to be said. Steph wasn't yet a star.)
2014 - Bron (Prime Bron. All that needs to be said. Steph wasn't yet a star.)
2015 - Bron (Prime Bron. All that needs to be said. Steph wasn't yet a star.)
2016 - Steph (73-9 team in the regular season. Although, come Playoff time, Bron was DEFINITELY more valuable).
2017 - Bron (KD was the most valuable player on Golden State)
2018 - Bron (KD was the most valuable player on Golden State)
2019 - Steph (Bron was kinda ass that year on a team that missed the playoffs.)
2020 - Bron
2021 - Bron
2022 - Steph
If you're looking at who was the Most Valuable Player from 2013-2022, then it'd go like this:
2013 - Bron (Prime Bron. All that needs to be said. Steph wasn't yet a star.)
2014 - Bron (Prime Bron. All that needs to be said. Steph wasn't yet a star.)
2015 - Bron (Prime Bron. All that needs to be said. Steph wasn't yet a star.)
2016 - Steph (73-9 team in the regular season. Although, come Playoff time, Bron was DEFINITELY more valuable).
2017 - Bron (KD was the most valuable player on Golden State)
2018 - Bron (KD was the most valuable player on Golden State)
2019 - Steph (Bron was kinda ass that year on a team that missed the playoffs.)
2020 - Bron
2021 - Bron
2022 - Steph
Peruvian Connect
All Star
Wade, Bosh and Love were not past their primes and even if you believe that BS they are all better than Klay and Draymond, have all achieved more without LeBron than Klay and Draymond have achieved without Steph. Klay and Draymond aint lead nobody nowhere.
No it's not.
And even if you were to believe it was, what sense is there in swapping their circumstances? That gets you further away from the bigger picture. You can't just throw some shyt out there of Bron and Steph swapping teams and then using that to determine the answer of this thread. The only thing of relevance here is what has happened, not some made-up nonsense that we're unable to come to a logical conclusion of due to the infinite variables involved.
BlueHeffner
Veteran
Steph wasnt a star when he won his first MVP?
Lol that was a typoSteph wasnt a star when he won his first MVP?
. Just know that Bron had him beat from 2013-2015.
Peruvian Connect
All Star
So All-Stars aren't stars?
I agree with most of this, but I'd consider Bron to be more valuable based off of your post.
You can surround him with role players and he'll get you more bang for your buck, Steph needs to be surrounded with good-great talent to maximize the team's potential.
That's also not mentioning that Bron is an all-around player which inherently makes him more valuable...well, depending on who you ask.