Famine...STARVATION...Delusion...RACIST: A Chicago Bulls Story (2014 Offseason Thread)

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This smug b*stard been on the job for 3 months and already more active than Gar formans fraggle rock looking ass been in 4 years.I'm glad I was old enough to witness the 90's bulls :snoop:
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wheres this capspace flexibility goin if we dont choose to thow it all away this offseason:stopitslime:
Bulls have 42 mil tied into Rose, Noah, Taj going into '16-'17

Butler is up for an extension next summer (thats another 6 mil a year)
Mcdermott will be making around 2.2

That already leaves us around 50 - plus whatever salaries we add this summer

Unless your grand plan is to add a bunch of cheap contracts that arent guaranteed past next season and be mediocre as fukk, we will not have this kind of cap space for a few years.
 

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Bulls have 42 mil tied into Rose, Noah, Taj going into '16-'17

Butler is up for an extension next summer (thats another 6 mil a year)
Mcdermott will be making around 2.2

That already leaves us around 50 - plus whatever salaries we add this summer

Unless your grand plan is to add a bunch of cheap contracts that arent guaranteed past next season and be mediocre as fukk, we will not have this kind of cap space for a few years.
Butler's getting more than 6M a year, especially if he can replicate the year before this one.
 

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With reports of Anthony’s renewed interest in the Lakers, Anthony has set up the possibility of asking Phil Jackson to work a sign-and-trade with Chicago that could allow him to make close to the maximum contract. Otherwise he would go to Los Angeles with no compensation for the Knicks because the Lakers have max cap space.
A source familiar with the Knicks thinking said Jackson likely would engage the Bulls if it came to that worst-case scenario.
The Bulls are negotiating to sign their European prospect, Nikola Mirotic, and that means Anthony would have to take even less than the $16 million per year over four years that had been floated without a sign-and-trade. If the Bulls don’t sign Mirotic and they traded Mike Dunleavy Jr. and Jimmy Butler, the most they would be able to give Anthony is a four-year, $73 million package.
The Knicks have told Anthony they are willing to give him the five-year, $129 million max, but he could decide to take less, as Jackson still is encouraging him to do.
“The Knicks truly believe he’s coming back but they know the Bulls really laid it out for him — their plan with the roster,’’ one NBA source said.
http://nypost.com/2014/07/07/anthony-keeps-knicks-lakers-bulls-waiting/
 

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Well... after reading red's post, I think the Knicks would consider that sign and trade if they really are close to moving Amare and Bargnani and they'll have to give up Shump to do so. If the Bulls give them Butler in a S&T they can then do their other deals to unload their bad contracts from teams that want Shumpert...
 
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Signing Boozer at that time was the correct move, just like signing Lance now would be the correct move as well.
Explain to me how signing Lance to a $50m/4 year contact would be the correct move, when it's only a move out of desperation?
I dont know why you keep talking about better options down the line when we dont have capspace or flexibility moving forward. This is our summer to spend and improve the roster, now that we lost out on the big fish, we need to aggressively pursue the second tier of free agents.
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That's how yall got into this mess in the first place. Because yall spent top dollar because yall were desperate. If you don't have the flexibility moving forward why do you think it's a good idea to tie up all this money in a SG who isn't worth it, but are only willing to spend the money on him because you need a SG? Yall be bidding against teams that can afford to take the risk. Bulls can't afford to do that, they're not starting from scratch - if there's no elite/superstars on offer, it makes no sense to treat the players below them as if they are above their value.

If we were the New Orleans Pelicans or some middling team building up through the draft, I could see why tying up 12 a year on Lance could be a poor decision, but the Bulls need to be competing for titles NEXT season. We wont have capspace next summer, or the summer after that. The time is RIGHT now, not sure what you're not getting about that.
That directly goes against what you're saying, if the Bulls will be limited next summer as is, how will that fair when Stephenson is on the books? When he isn't worth his price tag, but only commands it because of how dried up and empty the SG position has become.
 
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Im just throwing numbers out there honestly

I dont like having to explain remedial shyt as to why we need to make moves this summer :yeshrug:
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Making moves doesn't mean spending money you can't afford on a SG who's really a PG. If Melo doesn't end up coming, the best move would be to go after Love.
 

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Explain to me how signing Lance to a $50m/4 year contact would be the correct move, when it's only a move out of desperation?

:mindblown:

That's how yall got into this mess in the first place. Because yall spent top dollar because yall were desperate. If you don't have the flexibility moving forward why do you think it's a good idea to tie up all this money in a SG who isn't worth it, but are only willing to spend the money on him because you need a SG? Yall be bidding against teams that can afford to take the risk. Bulls can't afford to do that, they're not starting from scratch - if there's no elite/superstars on offer, it makes no sense to treat the players below them as if they are above their value.


That directly goes against what you're saying, if the Bulls will be limited next summer as is, how will that fair when Stephenson is on the books? When he isn't worth his price tag, but only commands it because of how dried up and empty the SG position has become.
What mess are the Bulls in? We arent a mess because of Boozer's contract, we're in this position because of Drose's injuries
 

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Making moves doesn't mean spending money you can't afford on a SG who's really a PG. If Melo doesn't end up coming, the best move would be to go after Love.
Another superstar we wont land? Cmon man, we cant keep going down this road

We need to surround Rose & Noah with talent NOW - and regardless, we can make the same run at Love with Lance on the roster
 
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What mess are the Bulls in? We arent a mess because of Boozer's contract, we're in this position because of Drose's injuries
:what:

Regardless if Rose was healthy or not, Boozer isn't the #2 option, yet he's taking up $16m. If Rose had been healthy, Bulls would still be looking to get rid of Boozer. Does this even need to be said?
 

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:what:

Regardless if Rose was healthy or not, Boozer isn't the #2 option, yet he's taking up $16m. If Rose had been healthy, Bulls would still be looking to get rid of Boozer. Does this even need to be said?
Yet, they werent looking to get rid of Boozer when Rose was healthy and we were a certified 60 win team

Signing Boozer was the right move at the time, Im not going to have some stupid revisionist history on that - all Bulls fans were happy with the move at the time, and happy with the move at the end of the 2010 season
 
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Another superstar we wont land? Cmon man, we cant keep going down this road
So instead of spending money on an elite player, you'd rather spend it on a 2nd rate player instead?
We need to surround Rose & Noah with talent NOW - and regardless, we can make the same run at Love with Lance on the roster
Talent that's affordable. That's the key here. If you're gonna spend top dollar, it better be on the players that are worth it, not just spending it because it's there.
 

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Yet, they werent looking to get rid of Boozer when Rose was healthy and we were a certified 60 win team

Signing Boozer was the right move at the time, Im not going to have some stupid revisionist history on that - all Bulls fans were happy with the move at the time, and happy with the move at the end of the 2010 season
This is true, but after his 1st year, I think nikkas knew he wasn't "it"

I think we all were caught off guard with how horrible he was on defense, but I know for a fact that everybody wanted this dude gone after his 2nd year of this deal.
 
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