Every time an ignorant person says bicycling and public transit would never work in America like it does in Europe…

[WIA20XX]

How would this work in a city like Houston?

The main problem with Houston (Texas in General) is that people do not want to give up their SUVs and Trucks. But most of them folks on 288 ain't headed to the Ranch or Oilfield.

Start with something like this



And even with a train system, there would need to be transportation options at the stations.

They'd have to tear down a lot of the freeways and "stroads"



Let's not even start with how much that one part of 610 floods with just moderate rain.

Assuming they could get the infrastructure right - then you'd start to see the private sector create a lot of "infill" development. So anything by a train stop, light rail, commuter rail would jump up in price. All that really does is push even more Black folks out of the neighborhoods they live in.

With that said, a lot of the places they gentrified now aren't "walkable" like a DC, Philly, NYC, Boston. (Honestly the places that are truly walkable on the East Coast tend to be high dollar.) NYC has 7 times the density that Houston has - and that's really what you would need for it to make sense. Houston is 2.2M/The metro is 8M - so 15-56M people.

This would be a very long term project, like 50-60 years, and it's not clear if Houston/The South/The Southwest is going to be economically viable with climate change already popping.

 

[Son Goku]

Do you want the stats on car related accidents?

You really want to go down this path?

I don't give a fukk because that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.



Americans are too lazy to be biking everywhere, especially in cities that were designed for cars. Folks aren't too lazy to crank their car.

 

[Remote]

I don't give a fukk because that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.



Americans are too lazy to be biking everywhere, especially in cities that were designed for cars. Folks aren't too lazy to crank their car.

“Americans are too lazy” is a lazy argument

Do better.

 

[concise]

You responded to my post not the article. I've been talking about Subways and monorails the entire time.
Public transit isn't meant to replace cars and roads, but provide alternatives to it.

You responded to @Remote taking my post out of context talking nonsense then you added on extra nonsense.

25 minutes vs 2.5 hours is a debate?





If only it worked like that instead of removing more lanes, adding roadblocks, and all the other street additions that tend to happen these days.

Wait. By what evidence does adding rail and bike lane create road blocks?

 

[Collateral]

The main problem with Houston (Texas in General) is that people do not want to give up their SUVs and Trucks. But most of them folks on 288 ain't headed to the Ranch or Oilfield.

Start with something like this



And even with a train system, there would need to be transportation options at the stations.

They'd have to tear down a lot of the freeways and "stroads"



Let's not even start with how much that one part of 610 floods with just moderate rain.

Assuming they could get the infrastructure right - then you'd start to see the private sector create a lot of "infill" development. So anything by a train stop, light rail, commuter rail would jump up in price. All that really does is push even more Black folks out of the neighborhoods they live in.

With that said, a lot of the places they gentrified now aren't "walkable" like a DC, Philly, NYC, Boston. (Honestly the places that are truly walkable on the East Coast tend to be high dollar.) NYC has 7 times the density that Houston has - and that's really what you would need for it to make sense. Houston is 2.2M/The metro is 8M - so 15-56M people.

This would be a very long term project, like 50-60 years, and it's not clear if Houston/The South/The Southwest is going to be economically viable with climate change already popping.

Damn good post. Houston’s problem is a reflection of America as a whole.

• Oil lobbyist
• Muricans and muh freedoms
• shytty infrastructure to begin with
• Climate change

Too many hurdles imo and like you said, it would take decades and billions of tax payers money. I don’t see it happening.

 

[Waldo Geraldo Faldo]

This was a good talk about why in the 60s kids riding bike to school was almost at 50% but in the 2000s it’s down to 13%.



Cliffs: Safety

This is why I’m for ways to reduce the amount of vehicles on the road.

 

[50CentStan]

How would this work in a city like Houston?

It wouldnt. Inner loop houston is probably 10x bigger than Amsterdam. Op should just say he want people to live on top of each other

 

[⠀X ⠀]

So you can't use the LIRR?

LIRR goes East to west. I live on the south shore and work on the north shore. Plus the train is $300 + a month.

 

[concise]

And my main problem with these disingenuous threads is always that bicycle is the main way they want people to travel. They never talk about increasing subways, light rail, buses, trolleys. Bikes are always the answer.

I actually used to commute by bike. It sucked. It sucked on rainy days. It sucked on hot days. It sucked on windy days.

 

[WIA20XX]

And my main problem with these disingenuous threads is always that bicycle is the main way they want people to travel. They never talk about increasing subways, light rail, buses, trolleys. Bikes are always the answer.

I actually used to commute by bike. It sucked. It sucked on rainy days. It sucked on hot days. It sucked on windy days.

The Not Just Bikes dude often talks about how much he loves biking - but a lot of the time he finds public transit more convenient.

I use to bike a few train stops in NYC. Cabbies made me end that QUICK. Back to the 6 train.

 

[concise]

LIRR goes East to west. I live on the south shore and work on the north shore. Plus the train is $300 + a month.

This is what I'm talking about. Even in the NYC area, there are so many gaps in transit system that exist. These people never talk about fixing them.

"Just hop on a bicycle and that will fix everything."

 

[bnew]

Just admit you don’t know history.

isn't that always the case?

 

[Prodyson]

Im out in the country, so no that shyt would not work

The reality is that if they made changes in the cities, then you being out in the country wouldn’t matter. There will likely always be cars to some degree, no matter what change we make. But, if the only people using cars ar ether ones like you who are coming from miles away, then it won’t be that big of a deal.

I also think these Live Work Play developments should make a lot of this easier. They should start trying to convert bigger metro areas into many small, but legitimate, cities where people rarely have to leave for good food, entertainment and work. But the real estate companies that own those buildings in the city aren’t gonna like that. Imagine if a company like Google started giving stipends to work in shared work spaces and cut back on large office buildings? Most people don’t live in the actual city anyway.

 

[bnew]

I’ve never heard a single person say any shyt like “we’re not Amsterdam”…..Brent

they say "we're not europe".

 

[Nabs]

America's lack of proper infrastructure (Pedestrian, Biking, Trains, etc) is depressing. Looking at how places like Switzerland have timely trains that reach even the tiniest towns is crazy.

Thankfully I live in a city that cares about ped/bike safety. Unfortunately, public transit needs a lot more help.