Boonapalist
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It’s funny to see the difference in the amount of respect Shaq and Kobe have given Tim Duncan and the Spurs. Diesel’s been throwing shots at Duncan for awhile now it seems.
ESPN Got Shaq In His Feelings...Throws Shots at DunGawd After Being Ranked Below Him
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Shaq acting like he wasnt allowed to win the title in 99 or something.O’Neal blasted the Spurs’ five titles on an episode of his show “The Big Podcast” claiming the Spurs 1999 title should not count because it was a shortened season. He also claims he personally wouldn’t claim an “asterisk” title since in his opinion it does not count.
“I’ll tell all of San Antonio to its face – you only have four. It’s an asterisk. That’s what I think. I would tell Mr. Duncan to his face you have four rings. It says you have five but the asterisks don’t count. In anything I do I never want asterisks about it.”
Shaquille O'Neal's Bold Message To Tim Duncan And The Spurs About Their 1999 NBA Title
Didn't mention anything aboutfirst title though
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Duncan walking away from Shaq at the HOF ceremony like
Shaq is so insecure
Insecure implies he thinks he might not be as good as Duncan.
I'm 100% sure Shaq doesn't believe Duncan is anywhere close to his level. He might be bitter that people think Duncan is better than him. But insecure? No way.
Kobe gives the Spurs as a collective respect. Which they deserve. Pop, Manu, Tony, Tim, and even RC Buford all deserve credit for that run. However, he's never said it was Duncan himself that stood in their way.
Duncan was very much part of the machine. He was not carrying that frachise on his back the way Shaq and Kobe did for practically their entire careers.
Yeah, I don't agree with Shaq at all. San Antonio had been championship contenders with Tim Duncan at the core for damn near 20 years. I don't really care for Shaq's take on basketball, we know he's just being emotional af and not realistic.
I think TD is great and deserves all the credit in the world.
I don't care about Shaq or giving him credit. I'm just laying the facts. Winning 3 in a row is rare. Duncan had plenty of chances to try to win back to back and couldn't do it, whatever the reasons were.
Yeah, I don't even consider it a knock against Duncan, I just think if we're comparing him to Shaq, then yes the b2b matters.
Duncan showed his dominancy by being able to mesh in a unique system under a tough ass coach AND with his next 2 best players for most of his championship runs being two international players. That's not easy to do. Duncan was dominant, a goat indeed.
Mike the Executioner
What went on up there? Poppers and weird sex!
@Swagnificent is in here heated trying to shyt on Tim Duncan. What did he even do to you, man?
murksiderock
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The burden of proof is on you and those who admittedly say it isn't a debate. Nearly all of these publications that do lists have Shaq and Tim within two spots of each other or so. Sometimes Shaq ahead, sometimes Tim ahead, so you're in the minority opinion...
I'm not talking about resume, but I already explained my position. You don't have to agree fam, I ain't fukked up about it. All the TAPE is there for you if you wanna jog your memory...
Greatness is the sum of talent plus opportunity plus results. It takes a ton of all three to reach these kind of heights. It's the reason why the guy with the best results (Russell) is #1 on nobody under 70's list, and wasn't a unanimous #1 in their era, with Wilt, Logo, and O playing at the same time...
It's another reason Bill had the most opportunities at a championship, playing in 13 Finals with the advantage of the greatest team of his day monopolizing a 7-team league, isn't considered the GOAT...
And it's the reason the NBA is littered with talented players who couldn't put it together, for one reason or another, to succeed more than less talented players. Stephon Marbury was talented. So was Gilbert Arenas. So was Amare Stoudemire. So was Carmelo Anthony. List goes on and on and on, Melo was more talented than a gang of people in his generation, yet he was missing something to put it all together...
You get hung up on "talent" and "skill", when the sport is more than that. Everybody recognizes this except you, almost nobody anywhere considers Shaq a Top 5 player, but according to talent, he should be a shoo-in at Top 2. So what happened to the manifestation of talent when he was underachieving in Orlando (don't forget, your friends ON HERE have said Dream was better, and people have posted examples of Rodman handling him)?
Where was the talent in Detroit in '04? Or the massive underachievement in '03? There are examples where Shaq's overwhelming talent advantage didn't manifest into pinnacle success, because obviously, you need more than talent...
What exactly did Shaq do better as a basketball player than Duncan? That list is smaller than the one you can create in reverse, so your skill/talent theory is out the window. I find it funny you guys create false "not skilled" arguments for other players but you're omitting completely that Shaq wasn't exactly more skilled than Duncan...
levitate
I love you, you know.
I should have enjoyed Duncan’s play more while he was still in the league.
He was such an under the radar superstar.
He was such an under the radar superstar.
Prevented the 4 peat.@Swagnificent is in here heated trying to shyt on Tim Duncan. What did he even do to you, man?
Everyone had the same amount of time to prepare. So gtfoh with that it doesnt count shyt
We all know damn well if Shaq had won that title in 99 he would be saying it counted. Just sounding like a bitter ass hater
We all know damn well if Shaq had won that title in 99 he would be saying it counted. Just sounding like a bitter ass hater
SO LEBRON ONLY HAS 2
