ESPN 5/12: Vasyl Lomachenko vs Jorge Linares (WBA Lightweight Championship)

[Newzz]

he's thinking more of the cards...it was a split decision draw at the time of the KO

It was only 8 rounds of scores

If it went to the 10th round, Loma wouldve been ahead 96-92, 95-93, 94-94 after 9...with 3 more rounds to go & Linares hurt.

Regardless, you can never call a KO in only 9 rounds "edging out a win"...since when is stopping someone before the Championship rounds began "edging out a win"?

 

[Newzz]

 

[desjardins]

Great fight. Linares was huge compared to Loma, but Loma still stayed in the pocket and gradually broke Linares down.
Good to see Loma overcome the adversity of the knock down and persevere through it like that. Dude might be the #1 P4P
Impressive win after impressive win, and he's doing it against guys who usually dominate others. How people on here can continually pretend like dude isn't a great fighter is beyond me.

 

[desjardins]

Honestly apart from the knockdown I don’t see this fight that much different from other LOMa fights.

Linares was just much bigger so he had some success compared to the others.

Plus we are so used to LOMa domminating that any type of succes from the opp can look bigger than it is.

Yea even after the knock down I thought Loma was completely comfortable and in control of what he was doing which he proved by gradually breaking down and stopping Linares. Did he get hit in this fight? Sure, he was fighting a much bigger man who also happens to be an elite fighter in his own right. But like you said outside of that knock down and that one combo Linares landed I never really felt Loma was taking any damage or even stressed really.

Honestly I'm starting to get sick of boxing fans (online ones anyway). Too many dumb ass agendas and people trying over or under state fighters skills based off the agendas. When Loma got knocked down I knew instantly even if Loma knocked dude out, like he did, that people were going use the knockdown as some kind of L or whatever. shyts mad predictable at this point

 

[morris]

I'm surprised it took this long. Linares has lost every fight by stoppage. I was never sold on lomachenko being the matrix. Great fighter but come on guys. You lost to a guy that Mikey Garcia completely thrashed

 

[Black Noise]

Loma is probably P4P for the foreseeable future unless Ward comes back. But ESPN's dikk riding is about to get Loma killed. They are trying to convince people he's a threat to Garcia. Garcia would beat him stupid. Loma looked like a kid in there with Linares. He's got them T-Rex arms to so the reach disadvantage is only going to get worse. They need to stop making him think he can dominate 140.

 

[OC's finest]

Look at how Linares countered all the hyper movement angle shyt, for most of the fight. Even when they fought back prior (Marriaga) it was life or death off the ropes shyt. Linares was pressin Loma at times, and most importantly showed that he can be timed. After Loma got hit clean his defense went to shyt, the round after the KD, Linares hit Loma with the same exact punch. Loma pulled it out, cause he's a dog with mad heart and skill. But once he looked vexed, he was a completely different fighter. Also got countered a lot.

I think alotta ppl are discrediting Loma, instead of propping up linares. Linares is a hell of a fighter, and had a great game plan.

I think more than anything, this shows Loma shudnt go over 135. Def shudmt move up to 140 with big dogs like Mikey and Crawford, both of who would put some hands on Loma.

Loma was still boxing linares up and got the finish. Great fight for the fans

 

[OC's finest]

Loma is probably P4P for the foreseeable future unless Ward comes back. But ESPN's dikk riding is about to get Loma killed. They are trying to convince people he's a threat to Garcia. Garcia would beat him stupid. Loma looked like a kid in there with Linares. He's got them T-Rex arms to so the reach disadvantage is only going to get worse. They need to stop making him think he can dominate 140.

Loma never was and never shud be p4p. How can .u rate him over Mikey, whose undefeated and moved up more weight? How can u rate him over Crawford similarly.

And ppl might hate on this, but ggg shud be over looks as well, undefeated with the streak he's had with almost all the belts.

 

[OC's finest]

bruh its not that easy. Loma slipping like he does neutralized that. Fact is Loma almost always slips, bobs and weaves.. all Jab neutralizers especially if you good at it like Loma. it takes a lot of energy and conditioning to do it constantly which is why most boxers dont do it. Jorge knew it even tho he caught him a few times he missed a whole hell of a lot too. Missing a heavy jab takes energy out you then u got this moving ass fukker loma hitting you with bee stings.. you get tired and you get caught in the later rounds. It really is a mental thing

Lomas style itself is very energy intense itself. He works a crazy fast pace, and with all his movement and feints, it takes so much cardio.

I thought linares landed some great body shots in the fight, and j personally felt loma was slowing in the later rounds. Problem for linares is he had considerably slowed by then too so he couldn't capitalize. Lomas footwork was def much slower by round 9 and he was getting hit way more often

 

[CHERUB]

Lomas style itself is very energy intense itself. He works a crazy fast pace, and with all his movement and feints, it takes so much cardio.

I thought linares landed some great body shots in the fight, and j personally felt loma was slowing in the later rounds. Problem for linares is he had considerably slowed by then too so he couldn't capitalize. Lomas footwork was def much slower by round 9 and he was getting hit way more often

yah he was slowing for sure and legs were shakey too.. probably the deepest Loma had to dig...fighting a a man twice as big as you and KOing him with a body shot is a testament to his cardio tho. Thats what it really came down to. Loma was more mentally tougher and in better shape. They both were highly skilled, Jorge even countered Lomas movement more then any fighter before.

 

[Black Noise]

Loma never was and never shud be p4p. How can .u rate him over Mikey, whose undefeated and moved up more weight? How can u rate him over Crawford similarly.

And ppl might hate on this, but ggg shud be over looks as well, undefeated with the streak he's had with almost all the belts.

I rate Loma over Garcia because Loma hasn't had many fights and already has a better resume than Garcia. Who's Garcia's best win. Broner? Zlaticanin? It's can't be Rocky Martinez because Loma also knocked his soul out his chin.
Plus, as much as I hate using this as a reason, to the eye, Loma is the coldest fighter I've seen since Roy.
I don't rate GGG high at all. I ain't saying he's trash and I'm ready to admit I might be underrating him as a knee hell counter to the reverse cowgirl ESON and HBO gives him. I have to argue with cats who think he'd KO Hagler. It's gone too far.

 

[GzUp]

Yea even after the knock down I thought Loma was completely comfortable and in control of what he was doing which he proved by gradually breaking down and stopping Linares. Did he get hit in this fight? Sure, he was fighting a much bigger man who also happens to be an elite fighter in his own right. But like you said outside of that knock down and that one combo Linares landed I never really felt Loma was taking any damage or even stressed really.

Honestly I'm starting to get sick of boxing fans (online ones anyway). Too many dumb ass agendas and people trying over or under state fighters skills based off the agendas. When Loma got knocked down I knew instantly even if Loma knocked dude out, like he did, that people were going use the knockdown as some kind of L or whatever. shyts mad predictable at this point

Spot on.

 

[OC's finest]

I rate Loma over Garcia because Loma hasn't had many fights and already has a better resume than Garcia. Who's Garcia's best win. Broner? Zlaticanin? It's can't be Rocky Martinez because Loma also knocked his soul out his chin.
Plus, as much as I hate using this as a reason, to the eye, Loma is the coldest fighter I've seen since Roy.
I don't rate GGG high at all. I ain't saying he's trash and I'm ready to admit I might be underrating him as a knee hell counter to the reverse cowgirl ESON and HBO gives him. I have to argue with cats who think he'd KO Hagler. It's gone too far.

I somewhat agree with u, Loma is far more spectacular on the eye test.

Garcia honestly never impresses me when I watch him, but he does all the fundamental things really well. We'll see how he does in his next fight.

Def gotta put Crawford up there tho. I got him as my p4p king, dudes a special difhtsr and he got that rage in him

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

It was only 8 rounds of scores

If it went to the 10th round, Loma wouldve been ahead 96-92, 95-93, 94-94 after 9...with 3 more rounds to go & Linares hurt.

Regardless, you can never call a KO in only 9 rounds "edging out a win"...since when is stopping someone before the Championship rounds began "edging out a win"?

A lot of overreacting in here, but I think that is because there are a lot of cats that want Loma to fail.

Not a lot different was exposed tonight IMO. Loma isnt a big dude and there is always a limit to going up in weight no matter how skilled you are. What I saw was Linares getting his mostly from size advantages and mixing it up rough. But we always knew that mixing it up rough was something that gave Loma trouble after the Salido fight.

I will never be shocked if Loma catches an L because he fights a dude bigger than him who does the Salido style on a better scale. I will be more shocked if we go into a fight and see Loma thoroughly out boxed.

I also wasnt as worried as Loma's chin as many here were. Loma got caught perfectly coming in and I felt it was more to being hit perfectly on the button, but not because he was hurt in a way Linares could end the fight.

I think we learned that when Loma gets over confident like people say he starts showing off. That is where a smart and aware fighter can catch him slipping.

 

[Bigblackted4]

I rate Loma over Garcia because Loma hasn't had many fights and already has a better resume than Garcia. Who's Garcia's best win. Broner? Zlaticanin? It's can't be Rocky Martinez because Loma also knocked his soul out his chin.
Plus, as much as I hate using this as a reason, to the eye, Loma is the coldest fighter I've seen since Roy.
I don't rate GGG high at all. I ain't saying he's trash and I'm ready to admit I might be underrating him as a knee hell counter to the reverse cowgirl ESON and HBO gives him. I have to argue with cats who think he'd KO Hagler. It's gone too far.

Yeah media and fam clubs of fighters make it hard to just watch fights and enjoy them because you know they will get either otherworldly trashed or praised. I honestly think they need to stop comparing fighters to yesterdays fighters. What those dudes went through is totally different. Dudes fighting four and five times a year as a champion. We can’t even ask guys to fight a good fight two months after a 2 round KO.