ESPN 5/12: Vasyl Lomachenko vs Jorge Linares (WBA Lightweight Championship)

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you dont think the fight was close. a lot of people of did.

I had Loma up 77-74 after 8 rounds.


However, even if you thought it was close, moving up to a brand new weight & in your very first fight there you're KOing the #1 ranked Champion at 135, who had a height, reach, & 14lb weight advantage is an excellent performance...especially considering you stopped him in 9 rounds. Before the Championship rounds began:wow:
 

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I had Loma up 77-74 after 8 rounds.


However, even if you thought it was close, moving up to a brand new weight & in your very first fight there you're KOing the #1 ranked Champion at 135, who had a height, reach, & 14lb weight advantage is an excellent performance...especially considering you stopped him in 9 rounds. Before the Championship rounds began:wow:
Pretty much my opinion.

Did Loma struggle, sure, but the fact he turned those struggles around and was the stalker most of the night was pretty impressive.

Still think people overreating Linares power. Loma got careless and ran right into a punch that he didn't see coming because he got cocky, but is as viewers saw being set up. My girl was only paying half attention and was like :whoo: when he got knocked down. I told her :whoa:it wasnt serious he just walked in to a punch and the fact he didn't see it coming along with his momentum took him down, he didn't seem in any real trouble.

What I don't like is if Loma gets too careless and moves up into new weight class and gives away the physical portion of the fight, to rely on his skills. That could easily bite him one day.
 

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Loma likes to keep dudes in that peek a boo so he can use his feet and pitty pat shots to keep your hands where he wants them while he sneaks in a power shot. The problem is at the higher weights nikkas will eat those pitty pats he uses to set up and punch with him. That's why Linares was outboxing him at times there's rumors that the Philly kid I forget his name gave him issues in sparring doing the same exact shyt excpt he was slipping and punching with him instead of putting his guard up. shyt I can't remember the guys name he is a slick kid from philly he fights around Loma weight too, he got shot in his hand a while back.
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I had Loma up 77-74 after 8 rounds.


However, even if you thought it was close, moving up to a brand new weight & in your very first fight there you're KOing the #1 ranked Champion at 135, who had a height, reach, & 14lb weight advantage is an excellent performance...especially considering you stopped him in 9 rounds. Before the Championship rounds began:wow:
He's in the top 3 p4p (#1 to me). Anytime someone that high up struggles in a fight, they're going to get dissected like this.
 

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He's in the top 3 p4p (#1 to me). Anytime someone that high up struggles in a fight, they're going to get dissected like this.

Dissect all you want, but make sure yall using the right ingredients:

  1. Lomachenko was in his 1st fight at 135
  2. Lomachenko was facing the #1 ranked Champion at Lightweight, who came in on a 13 fight win streak spanning over 6+ years.
  3. Lomachenko was the shorter fighter, with a 3 1/2 inch reach disadvantage, and 14 lbs weight disadvantage on fight night.

That's all. :hubie:
 
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lmao broner is a better name than anyone on Loma's resume lol

Linares as KO'd by Antonio Demarco who Broner destoryed when he was at 135, Broner was destroying all the guys at 135 lets be real, mikey moving up and beating broner easy is way better than anything loma did, loma struggled with Linares, Mikey beat Broner easy, stop it
You've made two incorrect assumptions. The first being that because A beat B and B beat C that A is a better fighter. Khan knocked down and beat Maidana while Maidana lost close to Floyd without ever being hurt. Does that mean Floyd and Khan are evenly matched? Does Khan but harder than Floyd? Everyone knows Floyd would have Khan seeing Vishnu by the 8th, so Linares getting the hands from DeMarco doesn't necessarily mean Linares isn't one of the best 135 lbsers.

The second false assumption you make is the notion that Broner isn't unmitigated fukking trash. shyt, the fact you'd put Broner over Rigo or Russell is crazy to me.
 

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Dissect all you want, but make sure yall using the right ingredients:

  1. Lomachenko was in his 1st fight at 135
  2. Lomachenko was facing the #1 ranked Champion at Lightweight, who came in on a 13 fight win streak spanning over 6+ years.
  3. Lomachenko was the shorter fighter, with a 3 1/2 inch reach disadvantage, and 14 lbs weight disadvantage on fight night.

That's all. :hubie:
The simple fact that loma was a huge favorite going into the fight with all of that already known makes it all irrelevant.

Dude seems like a great talent but he’s being overrated. He didn’t live up the the over the top hype and instead of folk acknowledging that, they use the fact that they overrated him as an excuse:heh: Cats wouldn’t be nitpicking at him if it weren’t for the outrageous hype. He was supposed to dominate dude but instead he was in real trouble. I’ve never seen pbf, pea, or a prime roy get caught with a 5 punch combination like I saw loma get caught with. The ending was kinda suspect to me too.
 

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Im one of dudes biggest fans but i think he caps out here in regards to top level guys. I dont want to see him at 140 unless its a cherry.

Garcia is an interesting fight and so is Easter now that Loma can sell the big room in msg these fights could do big business.
i think he should have cleared out his division before starting to go up to higher weights. i think theres still some good fights for him there. he moved up and proved he belongs with the other top guys at 135. but he moved up and we're seeing things happen to him that people werent seeing before. he has to campaign there a little more to see where he really is. i agree that he shouldnt go to140. i think guys like jose ramirez and regis prograis are all wrong for him.
 

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Dissect all you want, but make sure yall using the right ingredients:

  1. Lomachenko was in his 1st fight at 135
  2. Lomachenko was facing the #1 ranked Champion at Lightweight, who came in on a 13 fight win streak spanning over 6+ years.
  3. Lomachenko was the shorter fighter, with a 3 1/2 inch reach disadvantage, and 14 lbs weight disadvantage on fight night.

That's all. :hubie:
That is right breh. All the naysayers are talking about don't forget Loma was I trouble...:rudy:...did Loma catch some shots he hadn't recently, sure, but people love to talk shyt when other fighters (particularly GGG) look human against other top fighters. Fact is that happens to every fighter. Fight the best and usually you aren't as dominate.

Somehow it is forgotten that dude moved up in weight (it's not like he fought at 130 that long either - 5 fights I believe) and fought the number one fighter in the division, fought as the aggressor and got the KO. Damn impressive.

And the actual flaws that are concerning aren't the ones people want to talk about:
- Loma is starting to get over confident when he starts sonning opponents with his quick pity pat punches and leaves himself open to counters, especially dangerous if you are facing bigger fighters who can take your punches better.
- Loma has fought on equal physical size grounds and dominated based on skills. A quick look at 135 shows that vs. every fighter inside the top 10 at 135 Loma is giving up all the physical measurements (height, reach, and rehydration).
- He still seems most uncomfortable when a fighter bullies him. I think he learned enough vs. Salido to cope in most fights, but it does concern me when he gives up all the physical advantages. We know Loma has some dog in him and will play dirty post Salido...but that may not matter if the guy doing it has 15lbs, 2 inches in height, and 5 inches in reach.

On a personal note I would like to see Loma settle in at 130 for a minute and start building his career there as he can make a lot of good fights. There are some good fighters there including Davis. He also may be able to entice some guys from 126 up in LSC, Mares Frampton, GRJ rematch, maybe Valdez in some time.

My gut tells me Loma wont go in and start career moding his career. That isnt who he is. For better or worse I think we can count on him to continually challenge himself and take on the best fighters. Still wouldn't put it out of the question Arum tries to get him in vs. Manny, but I really don't like that fight unless Manny is basically a shot fighter. The Manny who got robbed vs. Horn can still crack and fight. Maybe not Crawford, Spence levels, but from what I saw on Saturday Loma's team should keep him away from Manny at 140 right now.
 
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That is right breh. All the naysayers are talking about don't forget Loma was I trouble...:rudy:...did Loma catch some shots he hadn't recently, sure, but people love to talk shyt when other fighters (particularly GGG) look human against other top fighters. Fact is that happens to every fighter. Fight the best and usually you aren't as dominate.

Somehow it is forgotten that dude moved up in weight (it's not like he fought at 130 that long either - 5 fights I believe) and fought the number one fighter in the division, fought as the aggressor and got the KO. Damn impressive.

And the actual flaws that are concerning aren't the ones people want to talk about:
- Loma is starting to get over confident when he starts sonning opponents with his quick pity pat punches and leaves himself open to counters, especially dangerous if you are facing bigger fighters who can take your punches better.
- Loma has fought on equal physical size grounds and dominated based on skills. A quick look at 135 shows that vs. every fighter inside the top 10 at 135 Loma is giving up all the physical measurements (height, reach, and rehydration).
- He still seems most uncomfortable when a fighter bullies him. I think he learned enough vs. Salido to cope in most fights, but it does concern me when he gives up all the physical advantages. We know Loma has some dog in him and will play dirty post Salido...but that may not matter if the guy doing it has 15lbs, 2 inches in height, and 5 inches in reach.

On a personal note I would like to see Loma settle in at 130 for a minute and start building his career there as he can make a lot of good fights. There are some good fighters there including Davis. He also may be able to entice some guys from 126 up in LSC, Mares Frampton, GRJ rematch, maybe Valdez in some time.

My gut tells me Loma wont go in and start career moving his career. That isnt who he is. For better or worse I think we can count on him to continually challenge himself and take on the best fighters. Still wouldn't put it out of the question Arum tries to get him in vs. Manny, but I really don't like that fight unless Manny is basically a shot fighter. The Manny who got robbed vs. Horn can still crack and fight. Maybe not Crawford, Spence levels, but from what I saw on Saturday Loma's team should keep him away from Manny at 140 right now.

Good post
 

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@GREENandYELLOW you typed all that but cpuke have summed it up with “did Lima get KD and get hurt? Yea....”

That’s all
Completely disagree and others do as well.

You are entitled to your opinion. I didn't see the fight as that simplistic.

Just as there are levels in boxing there are levels to how people get knocked down and or hurt. Just trying to explain my interpretation of that, cause clearly there are people here who want to see Loma lose and aren't differentiating between the finer points.

That's cool though, I guess Loma ain't shyt cause he got careless vs. a top fighter who was 15 lbs bigger than, who he went back to stalking and KO'd.
 

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they didnt mention lomachenko getting lit up by that nice ass linares combo :francis:..we need that gif of it
I will say Kriegel was the least TR "promoting" I had heard him, and that isnt saying much. :francis:

With ESPN being TR based, Bradley being a guy who loved working with Arum and Kriegel seemingly a TR shill, I am not expecting it to get much better.

I wasnt an Atlas fan because I prefer commentary with someone more well spoken to give it that professional vibe, but I miss his honesty. Although this fight wasnt in any way a robbery, it does get tiring watching other broadcasts not complain when a robbery does take place.

Edit: With HBO's shytty budget would love to see ESPN steal RJJ or Ward away so they can get more air time.
 
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