Elon Musk wants a free speech utopia. Technologists clap back.

[Broke Wave]

for White Nationalists, amusing stuff

You literally watch a white supremacist show on a daily basis. You're not even remotely arguing in good faith. Nor should anyone take your argument seriously.

How many times you gonna quote me? What do you want from me? If you don’t like my Tucker Carlson thread don’t post in it. If you think I’m a white boy that’s fine. If you and @88m3 want to debate me in “good faith” ive offered several times to go on the HL podcast and talk about my views. It’s Ramadan so I’m trying to avoid name calling to break my fast so please address the topic or stop the harassment.

 

[Unknown Poster]

That's not all that get banned. If you call somebody fat you'll get banned. The Only thing that doesnt get you banned on twitter is disrespecting black men.

I got banned on Twitter for calling a white MAGA woman a "cracka ass cracka".

 

[Moose_Greyjoy]

If you don't agree with me, I'm sorry to say that you are an idiot.

Being judged harshly for racist views is notbthe only barrier that would present itself. What about someone who works in an environment where the people are against vaccines? Do you think they would be comfortable voicing their opinions when it would lead back to their personal life?

Then there are people who are wary about having a log of everything they have said, right or wrong, that can be traced back to their personal lives.

The end result of requiring people to tie their social media accounts to their real life is going to be people limiting the subjects they comment on.

It will do more to damage free speech than simply blocking racist trolls.

See here is my point. You would never call someone a idiot to their face when having a real life discussion. I treat people on here like I treat people in real life, with respect. Now with that said, I feel like social media gives people the false/real security that only their opinion matters and if you don’t like it then YOU’RE the idiot. Life does not work like that. Matter of fact if real identities were used, people would choose their words more carefully….just like real life

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

This is a bad faith argument, it's also a head in sand argument. It's one thing to believe there's no value in watching Tucker Carlson, but to suggest that anyone viewing his show is a bad actor is beyond the pale.

You should try reading the thread before responding. You can keep for him if you want to. It's very obvious what dude is all about. I posted this on the last page about him. If you find Tucker's racist, white supremacists, great replacement grievance arguments insightful and informative.... That tells me alot about you. Mind you he said that, this isn't me putting words in his mouth. It's not in bad faith at all to literally repeat his own words on something

Everyone in the thread should know that this user is literally a big Tucker Carlson fan (literally started a Tucker thread in HL) and has stated on many occasions that he finds Tucker “insightful” and “informative”. Just letting you know the kind of white person you’re dealing with before you engage

 

[Matt504]

I got banned on Twitter for calling a white MAGA woman a "cracka ass cracka".

Should Twitter have weighed her political leanings in their decision to ban you?

 

[GPBear]

I got banned on Twitter for calling a white MAGA woman a "cracka ass cracka".

I got banned after Kaepernick’s protests. Brent Musberger said “next time the 49ers take a knee it should be in the end zone” and I said “when are you gonna die already you racist old dinosaur?”

 

[Broke Wave]

Fair enough. The double standard comes down to liability. The chance of a former president like Donald Trump or a news organization putting out info during a war leading to fukkery is higher so Twitter distances itself entirely to avoid getting caught in collateral from any potential bs. That’s why accounts that just quote former Trump tweets are allowed, they have no immediate consequences. And why the alt right nazis are allowed is because their presence is far less influential, but Twitter not banning them says a lot about their direction as a company and I’m sure Musk is all for it

Twitter removing Trump arbitrarily for me is a big problem but BUT BUT if you agree with the move for whatever reason, that’s fine. I’m not gonna die on that hill. However Twitter banning nikkas for “homophobia” or “Transphobia” when a quick search of the phrase black men brings up the most horrific racism imaginable is truly hypocritical.

Is Elon musk gonna do anything to satisfy my demands on this? No. But did he inadvertently raise an interesting debate about censorship? Of course. I’m not even a free speech weirdo I actually support censoring things just not censoring political speech it should be protected and the other side should be presented.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

It's amazing how many posters run in here to take bullets for racists and don't realize how bad that looks. Then get defensive as fukk when you call them out. These dudes would literally kill your family if they could and you wanna defend them???? YIKES

When they argue for free speech they're not talking about y'all.... WELL IF YOU'RE BLACK THAT IS.

 

[Matt504]

You should try reading the thread before responding. You can keep for him if you want to. It's very obvious what dude is all about. I posted this on the last page about him. If you find Tucker's racist, white supremacists, great replacement grievance arguments insightful and informative.... That tells me alot about you. Mind you he said that, this isn't me putting words in his mouth.

Again with the bad faith arguments and insidious framing. Tucker can be both racist and insightful but not necessarily for the same reasons. This idea that people should throw the baby out with the bathwater is exactly why so many people dismissed the possibility of a Trump becoming president.

When questions like "why is Tucker so popular", your analysis can never be more profound than "because this country is racist" because that's where his content starts and ends for you. Your paternalistic pandering is just bigotry in a rainbow clad shirt.

 

[GPBear]

How about using social media to promote the killing of black men, or any race of human, through internet beefs. Would you sensor that as well?

That’s a good question. Probably, but that’s just because I’m younger so I know that shyts often real street shyt. I’d imagine the government actually asks those companies to leave up those kinds of posts because it leaves a digital trail that makes it easier to build a case, but I’m not about doing the feds jobs for them - but I’d speculate that’s the kind of backroom dealing shyt that gets certain platforms more popular in the first place; their willingness to share big data with the government - I.e Facebook, Google, Twitter.

 

[Umoja]

See here is my point. You would never call someone a idiot to their face when having a real life discussion. I treat people on here like I treat people in real life, with respect. Now with that said, I feel like social media gives people the false/real security that only their opinion matters and if you don’t like it then YOU’RE the idiot. Life does not work like that. Matter of fact if real identities were used, people would choose their words more carefully….just like real life

I asked you what your intentions were in my first response.

If you're looking to limit free speech by introducing social accountability, just say that's what you want.

What you cannot do is act as though what you're proposing provides more freedom than an environment where people can post anonymously with certain restrictions.

 

[Unknown Poster]

Should Twitter have weighed her political leanings in their decision to ban you?

I just think it's funny how all sorts of racism against black people flies on Twitter, but don't call white folks "crackas" they might cry.



That doesn't answer your question, I just wanted to post that just to say "I DID THAT", but it is a privately owned company and these white folks don't like you calling them crackas on their own platform.

 

[Wildhundreds]

That’s a good question. Probably, but that’s just because I’m younger so I know that shyts often real street shyt. I’d imagine the government actually asks those companies to leave up those kinds of posts because it leaves a digital trail that makes it easier to build a case, but I’m not about doing the feds jobs for them - but I’d speculate that’s the kind of backroom dealing shyt that gets certain platforms more popular in the first place; their willingness to share big data with the government - I.e Facebook, Google, Twitter.

So it's safe to assume all of this is by design. I don't have a problem with sensor ship if its across the board. What I have a problem with is selective sensor ship. Which usually points to a narrative/agenda trying to get pushed.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Again with the bad faith arguments and insidious framing. Tucker can be both racist and insightful but not necessarily for the same reasons. This idea that people should throw the baby out with the bathwater is exactly why so many people dismissed the possibility of a Trump becoming president.

When questions like "why is Tucker so popular", your analysis can never be more profound than "because this country is racist" because that's where his content starts and ends for you. Your paternalistic pandering is just bigotry in a rainbow clad shirt.

There's literally nothing bad faith about not taking someone seriously knowing that their goal is to push racist and white supremacist rhetoric. When they themselves have told you that

You have no idea what you're fukking talking about

You called being against white supremacists "Bigotry". Pure comedy

 

[Unknown Poster]

It's amazing how many posters run in here to take bullets for racists and don't realize how bad that looks. Then get defensive as fukk when you call them out. These dudes would literally kill your family if they could and you wanna defend them???? YIKES

When they argue for free speech they're not talking about y'all.... WELL IF YOU'RE BLACK THAT IS.

I think some of these Black Elon stans think they're the exception to the rule...


They'll literally ignore the stories of horrific racism black men and black women faced at Tesla factories and Elon's own racism just to ride a billionaire's coattails.