Eboni K Williams defends her comments about Black men being collectively mediocre. “Black men need to know the truth about themselves”

[Gloxina]

These nikkas have no idea how the world works. It's psychological imo. Like how no matter how bad someone is doing in life. They look down on the person that's serving them or providing a service to them. The person could be making WAYYY more money than them. But the shyt is mental.

Yea. That’s why I personally under the nuance and why my main issue is the way she expressed herself. I don’t expect an attorney/media personality to unite with a bus driver. And that’s ok.

I manage a medical practice, and because of how successful my family has been and their understanding of how the world works, I was put in position financially to kinda set myself up carefully. Some of the white ppl I work with thought I was some simple, random Black girl who would need their guidance when I ended up giving THEM financial advice and info about investing in real estate, etc. Not saying I’m stopping here- but I knew how to build a comfortable life at half their age and their kids are like around my age still staying at home or “figuring it out”.

And I know some of these UPS guys are making close to or around 100k, so besides being a decent person for the sake of being a decent person, I don’t look down on them because they make more than techs in my office

Again- can Black women AND men improve? Yes, we have work to do to raise our position in this country. But blue collar professions have built and sustained MANY for generations.

I have a family full of white collar professionals, and the blue collar professionals my relatives know are extremely successful and kept up with them financially pretty closely.

Men who started as HVAC technicians, movers, etc moved forward and developed their own companies, hiring others and retiring early.
I’ve personally watched men excel in those fields, so that’s what I personally expect from men, but I would in no way look down on men in any of those fields because I know those are solid middle class professions.

I agree that a lot of people don’t understand how the world works or what jobs/careers actually keep the world functioning.

People look at blue collar jobs like these professions are akin to a damn cashier job or something

 

[ObsidianDev]

Allowed? Black men own the media outlets and record companies out there? Are we really ignoring the fact that black men created shows like the Cosby Show, A Different World, and so many others meant to show positive black images? Are we really acting like positive black publications like Milestone were made by black men primarily did not exist? Are we really ignoring positive black music that many black men created? Are we really ignoring the movies people like Robert Townsend, Spike Lee, and so on made?

I mean come on now. This is what I'm talking about. Positive shyt out there exists and for whatever reason people will act like either it doesn't exist or never existed, even when some of it was not niche but very well known, even among white people then act like black men are to blame for this. Even these days, go to a jazz festival or anything relating to such and you will see black people performing but mainly white people viewing.

tl;dr - We as a whole need to spend less time blaming black men for shyt and figure out how to better promote the positive shyt they make.

Idk how old you are or where you were raised, but I was born in the late nineties and grew up in the projects. I distinctly remember seeing little Black boys on the playground imitating the rappers they watched and listened to after school and sagging their pants.

Some still acted like "regular" kids up until middle school, and that's when I started noticing many of the other kids around me starting to act out the stereotypes that are portrayed of us in the media, lest they be labeled a "lame". I saw kids that would get gold stars on their homework assignments turn into NBA Youngboy-sounding delinquents in barely a year

The sad truth is that during the nineties we started valuing "coolness" over stability. Fortunately it looks like this mindset is starting to wane a bit, but it's still the dominant ethos in our community.

Communities are male led, and the men before us (or at least me) dropped the ball.

 

[spliz]

Yea. That’s why I personally under the nuance and why my main issue is the way she expressed herself. I don’t expect an attorney/media personality to unite with a bus driver. And that’s ok.

I manage a medical practice, and because of how successful my family has been and their understanding of how the world works, I was put in position financially to kinda set myself up carefully. Some of the white ppl I work with thought I was some simple, random Black girl who would need their guidance when I ended up giving THEM financial advice and info about investing in real estate, etc. Not saying I’m stopping here- but I knew how to build a comfortable life at half their age and their kids are like around my age still staying at home or “figuring it out”.

And I know some of these UPS guys are making close to or around 100k, so besides being a decent person for the sake of being a decent person, I don’t look down on them because they make more than techs in my office

Again- can Black women AND men improve? Yes, we have work to do to raise our position in this country. But blue collar professions have built and sustained MANY for generations.

I have a family full of white collar professionals, and the blue collar professionals my relatives know are extremely successful and kept up with them financially pretty closely.

Men who started as HVAC technicians, movers, etc moved forward and developed their own companies, hiring others and retiring early.
I’ve personally watched men excel in those fields, so that’s what I personally expect from men, but I would in no way look down on men in any of those fields because I know those are solid middle class professions.

I agree that a lot of people don’t understand how the world works or what jobs/careers actually keep the world functioning.

People look at blue collar jobs like these professions are akin to a damn cashier job or something

Yup. And people also forget that capitalism got everybody thinking they need to be a "boss" and not everyone is meant for that. Who the fukk will be the workers if everyone is a boss? And some people genuinely love what they do and are happy doing it.

 

[ObsidianDev]

We as a whole need to spend less time blaming black men for shyt and figure out how to better promote the positive shyt they make.

As true as this may be, the problem is that because we've been conditioned to gravitate towards dysfunctional and self-degrading nonsense so much for the past 3 decades, the average youthful (i.e. impressionable) Black mind in America finds positivity to be "corny".

 

[High Art]

Idk how old you are or where you were raised, but I was born in the late nineties and grew up in the projects. I distinctly remember seeing little Black boys on the playground imitating the rappers they watched and listened to after school and sagging their pants.

Some still acted like "regular" kids up until middle school, and that's when I started noticing many of the other kids around me starting to act out the stereotypes that are portrayed of us in the media, lest they be labeled a "lame". I saw kids that would get gold stars on their homework assignments turn into NBA Youngboy-sounding delinquents in barely a year

The sad truth is that during the nineties we started valuing "coolness" over stability. Fortunately it looks like this mindset is starting to wane a bit, but it's still the dominant ethos in our community.

Communities are male led, and the men before us (or at least me) dropped the ball.

And again, you're conveniently ignoring all the other things black men did and made and provided to people, including kids, in favor for all the things you claim you saw. If anything, most people, out of all races, were watching these black male made shows and media. And even more, even among rap, that was not the only kind of rap. And even more, many black kids and black boys, exposed to that shyt did not end up crashing out or copying that shyt to a terrible degree. You claim that communities are male led then ignore the fact that various policies made it harder for these communities to have males in an active role in the first place.

This is the problem I'm having. Your whole assertion of black men dropping the ball is based on some kids being stupid in a setting that white people helped create and enforce via over-policing and so on, and listening to music they did not have to, and finding something cool when they didn't have to. What exactly were black men supposed to do, even though they created alternatives that anyone could have picked up on, and even promoted said alternatives every chance they got? How do you explain white people finding these same alternatives yet your subset didn't? And we really ignoring that much of the NBA Youngboy type rap is not even funded by black male money?

I think the problem here is that everyone seems to think that black men are gods that have superpowers that can suddenly control how people think and what they find cool yet at the same time and thus are to blame for everything.

The only thing I can concede is that black men could have created more, but even then, there was little they could do since the community refused to buy anything outside of rap stuff but even then, much of the blame is from outside of the community and we try to blame black men when in truth, the only thing could claim is their absence and we all know why that came about. It was not the fault of black men for the most part.

 

[buzzkill]

They'll never tell black women to step it up tho . Just babble about college enrollment

its not about money its about the prestige. They act like a plumber isnt running circles around these liberal arts graduates with 40k in student loans and no job to show for it. They want to be able to tell their fam they are married to a lawyer

 

[Mindfield333]

Divesters have a new mascot? I was familiar with her years ago when she left Fox News but I should’ve known she couldn’t leave without that stench on her

 

[Gritsngravy]

Idk how old you are or where you were raised, but I was born in the late nineties and grew up in the projects. I distinctly remember seeing little Black boys on the playground imitating the rappers they watched and listened to after school and sagging their pants.

Some still acted like "regular" kids up until middle school, and that's when I started noticing many of the other kids around me starting to act out the stereotypes that are portrayed of us in the media, lest they be labeled a "lame". I saw kids that would get gold stars on their homework assignments turn into NBA Youngboy-sounding delinquents in barely a year

The sad truth is that during the nineties we started valuing "coolness" over stability. Fortunately it looks like this mindset is starting to wane a bit, but it's still the dominant ethos in our community.

Communities are male led, and the men before us (or at least me) dropped the ball.

Is it a man thing or a society thing?

 

[NeoSeeker]

It's called subtext and context

Most people aren't going to literally say what they mean if they know it sounds bad.

Pay attention to the misinformation and statistics she spreads, how she starts off attacking a subgroup of black men (blue-collar, bus drivers), then speaks about black men as as whole and generalizes them for not achieving enough, and how she ignores very real and documented factors causing them, when she gets called out. And then think of how she would respond if someone were to call out black women using the same type of language she is using.

I shouldn't even have to explain this to you, I'm probably wasting my time

Thanks for not being condescending.

I didn't take what she said as an attack, but if you did maybe look into why that is.

My personal feelings very rarely spill into my posts. Even though I don't agree with some of the language she used, I still understand what she was saying or trying to say. That was all I was ever saying.

 

[ObsidianDev]

Is it a man thing or a society thing?

Men influence society.

Men set the standards, women, children, and younger men follow those standards, and thus cultural norms within a society are set.

Within a community over a period of time, these cultural norms become known as...culture.

 

[Whatupdoe?]

It wasn’t like she was spewing BS. She was very articulate. What she said was harsh, but I see what her aim was. I don't think there was any maliciousness on her part. White supremacy put us at a huuuge disadvantage, but we should still strive to do our best and not settle for mediocrity, thinking we can't do or be any better. I think that was all she was saying.

Naw, I respectfully disagree she just doing what a lot if these divestors and bucks doing talking down on black people to make there s/o feel better or less insecure.

Her mouth got her ass feeling it. So now she doing damage control. Even that is self-serving when she talks about white supremacy which again feeds his and her egos since that's all she dates and so calls deserves.

 

[Gritsngravy]

Men influence society.

Men set the standards, women, children, and younger men follow those standards, and thus cultural norms within a society are set.

Within a community over a period of time, these cultural norms become known as...culture.

I don’t know, you said the men before you dropped the ball, seems like to me black people have always been pawns in this game in America

 

[JuvenileHell]

Yup. And people also forget that capitalism got everybody thinking they need to be a "boss" and not everyone is meant for that. Who the fukk will be the workers if everyone is a boss? And some people genuinely love what they do and are happy doing it.

No lies told in this post. This lame ass sigma grindset hustle mentality really warps a lot of these folks minds. Folks can't imagine not taking part in some capitalist rat race

 

[richaveli83]

Can a black man say we need to tell the truth about black women?

If you do, your a incel, you hate black women, you worship Kevin Samuels, etc.

 

[Rell84shots]

If you do, your a incel, you hate black women, your worship Kevin Samuels, etc.

You hate your mom, sisters, auntie, cousins