richaveli83
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Eboni K Williams defends her comments about Black men being collectively mediocre. “Black men need to know the truth about themselves”
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Idk why y’all even feed into this shyt. I was telling my girl the same thing, commentary like this is just meant for distraction
Again you're over-simplifying things and by doing so, absolving white supremacy and racism of the role such played in the black community. Hard to set and define culture when the means to set culture and spread it is being carefully gate-kept and messed with by people who hate you. You also ignore the role autonomy and personal agency play in all of this, as if people will walk lock and step with whatever is told to them. That's not how it works.
And again, what were black men supposed to do? How exactly? And if black men are to blame, you're saying racism plays no part in things? Had no role? You dodged that question last time and instead opted for more bullshyt talking points.
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Fukking facts
ObsidianDev
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EVERYONE is a pawn in this nation to some degree unless you're born into wealth, even if you make six figures. Difference is, other minority groups in this country work together to help raise themselves up collectively to the levels of knights, bishops, and rooks.
Too many of us are too focused on becoming the most important pawn on the center squares on the chessboard (via chasing after rap contracts, NFL/NBA contracts, social media fame, etc.). Think of this as the proverbial "spotlight".
Pawns in a game of chess can elevate themselves to a higher piece once making it to the other side of the board, thus giving them the power to provide protection for the other pawns on the board so they have a chance to elevate their status, too.
Rather than collective elevation (like we did at the turn of the century), we focus on spotlight hogging to show the King and Queen on the opposite side of the chessboard (i.e. those in power) that we're the biggest pawn on the board that's ripe for exploitation and sabotage.
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White supremacy has obviously had a massive effect on our standing in this country, which should further motivate us to WORK TOGETHER just like the other minorities do.
It's 2023, man. No one is coming to save us. If the rich white people that run this country don't give a fukk about their fellow whites eating Slim Jims and mayo in the trailer parks, then there's not gonna be some sort of collective kumbaya movement happening for us from the top-down to elevate our standing.
Rather then seeing the situation for what it is and acting accordingly by trying to lift each other up via providing our own communities with jobs and resources like Hispanics, Asians, Jews and Black Caribbeans do, we focus on trying to become the most talented slave on the plantation.
I say this with conviction because during the reconstruction era, we were slowly heading down the road towards elevation. The few Black men that had the chance to go to school took deep pride in being educated. There was a better family structure.
And before you give me another excuse of "But-bu-bu white man"-- yeah, they sabotaged us a lot back then too in regards to businesses. So in response, you dust yourself off, huddle back up with your group, and begin rebuilding if and when that happens.
When I was younger and fresh out of high school, I had a similar mindset to yours: That we were basically fukked due to systemic White supremacy, until I realized that the horrors that our people went through during slavery and Jim Crow pale in comparison to modern-day. The book "When I Was a Slave" helped me clearly see this.
White people are not gods. A solid decade of us feverishly working together would put us in far better standing. All we have to do is work together and regain a sense of pride.
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The natural process is that men follow the behavior in how they have been nurtured. If this doesn't happen there's an error correction needed. This creates a psychological conflict.
"Women have been mobilized as cultural markers/bearers in relation to both nationalist discourse and subnational identity politics. Their role has been both symbolic, to represent the nation or culture, and functional, to transmit it (to their children and to other women)"
Women as Cultural Markers/Bearers | Semantic Scholar
Women have been mobilized as cultural markers/bearers in relation to both nationalist discourse and subnational identity politics. Their role has been both symbolic, to represent the nation or culture, and functional, to transmit it (to their children and to other women). Women have borne the...
www.semanticscholar.org
Why the role of mothers is pivotal in transmitting culture? — Heritage Education Network Belize
The role of mothers is pivotal in transmitting culture. Mothers contribute to the cultural survival of languages, culinary practises, folklore, healing traditions or traditional crafts, and play a crucial part in safeguarding our cultural memory. Here are just a few areas of culture which depend on
www.heritagebelize.org
The odd thing is that a lot of BW have degrees in social studies, psychology, sociology yet don't teach this stuff or pass it on to other BW. smh Please pick up a book about how to successfully nurture boys into men.
"Sample items from the ideologies of child development and learning subscale are “Children are by nature born innocent,” “Mothers must begin training child as soon as ready,” and “Children can improve in almost anything if they work hard.” Sample items from the ideologies of the mother-child relationship subscale are “mothers primarily express love by helping child succeed, especially, in school” and “a child should be in the constant care of their mothers or family.”
Cultural Roots of Parenting: Mothers’ Parental Social Cognitions and Practices From Western US and Shanghai/China
Cultural values can be considered as important factors that impact parents’ social cognitions and parenting practices. However, few studies compare specific cultural values of parents and the relationships between cultural values and parenting ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
EVOLUTIONARY psychology parenting - Google Search
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I get what you are trying to say, but there is not such thing as "a collective". There's only such thing as working and building with like minded people. That's where one needs to find validation. The whole "collective" argument isn't happening anytime soon.
Secondly, if everyone is a pawn in this nation to some degree unless you're born into wealth. How can it be at the same time that other minority groups in this country work together to help raise themselves up collectively? That seems to be a contradiction.
There seems to be a collective trauma, where a lot are scared that what will be build will be destroyed and confiscated again. That's the common narrative used by many.
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this is too good to be true Envy is a married man, and he has been so for years. Before he became successful, from what I know he was "just some DJ" prior to that, though graduated from Hampton University in 1999 with a degree in business management.[3]
DJ Envy - Wikipedia
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But coli militants/brehs swear majority of black women got black men's back. The math is not mathing
All I see on social media (yeah social media isn't always reflective of real life but we are in the internet age)
are black women hating on and viciously attacking black men's character
All I see on social media (yeah social media isn't always reflective of real life but we are in the internet age)
are black women hating on and viciously attacking black men's character
I'm not making white people out to be gods. And yes, we are the only ones that can fix our own problems. However, I'm saying there are limits to what one group within a group can do when they don't have sovereignty over their own laws, that is, what black men by themselves only, can do. It does require everyone to work together but the compliance of other people is not guaranteed unless either force is utilized or unless black men turn into the "oppressive" "toxic" men of other races (which requires a full deadening of this idea of "wanting to be white" or "wanting to be like your oppressor"). This was the main limitation of black men in this instance.
Barring that, the issue of making people accept a culture is an issue as well. Black men literally created all the means for our people to accept and utilize a new culture. All the things you mentioned did not simply disappear. The simple fact is, many other people within our own community made the conscious decision to spurn all the alternatives for the thuggery bullshyt that we see out there. The same way other non-black groups take to it at the expense of others things. In understanding that people, both men and women, made a conscious decision due in part to issues put on them by outside forces, then one can work together to fix the problems as opposed to unilaterally blaming one part of the community, black men, that has actually tried and then act surprised when that same method of blaming said men doesn't work or fix things and instead forces everyone back int the same hamster wheel all over again.
That said, if black men are to blame, then what? My issue with this is, we will blame black men, harangue black boys, but do little as a community, to help them. We do little to invest in them and instead put forth all that towards girl programs and other stuff. We do little to give them heroes and things to aspire to, telling them they don't need that (I've seen it on these boards here). We speak of working together but to all the things I've mentioned, people will say that men need to do that shyt on their own, while benefiting off of the things men have actually helped them with, while those people will say that men have done nothing in one fell swoop. That's a fukking joke and that is what needs to end.
As I've said, this constant useless refrain of blaming black men and acting like they haven't done anything is part of the problem. If we are going to blame them, then we are going to have to acknowledge that we have to collectively invest in them to fix the problems of the community instead of turning a blind eye to issues that target them.
She's a woman with "media power" who can do harm with her asinine rhetoric, potentially influencing young Black women.Dude, I'm not looking into it that deeply. I don't even know who this woman is, apparently she was on one of those "Real Housewives" shows according to a quick Google search.
All I heard her basically say was that many of us in the Black community collectively hold ourselves to a lower standard and thought "She's right"
I don't care about this random woman's dating life, and neither should you
She's not a random woman. Do you understand the power of media psychology?
Brothers are finally waking up and getting tired on these wenches. Keep your foot on these wenches neck and leave them in the trenches.