Eboni K Williams defends her comments about Black men being collectively mediocre. “Black men need to know the truth about themselves”

[TheNig]

At the time, I was commenting on the clip posted in the OP. He looked disinterested to me. I've since listened to the entire interview. Envy and Charla kept asking her questions she had already answered, sometimes seconds before.

The language she used seems to be what people are responding to. She didn't describe people as "mediocre" or "average", but rather a toxic mindset a lot of Black Americans have. That's who she was speaking to. She wasn’t addressing Black men specifically.




I took it as Eboni describing a mindset. If you are extremely driven and work hard at what you do (whatever that is) then you're not mediocre but "exceptional". She was critiquing people who become complacent, doing the bare minimum to get by. People with little to no drive and ambition.

Part of it was the description of a mindset. But as she continued she actually used those words. She started talking about black ownership and entrepreneurship. So Envy used the example of his father not being an owner or any of that and that's when she started flip flopping with the reaching your full potential shyt.

 

[buzzkill]

black men make more on average than black women tho?

what is she babbling about

 

[ObsidianDev]

And this right here is the problem, not seeing anything wrong with what was said, because 90% of what she said was completely false. And the more she talked and pushed back, the worse it got for her. She even conflated that a blue collar worker is that because he has low IQ. That narrative is completely false. Yet, she fails to explain why men with an academic degree don't want her.

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As was explained by Medium Man, as BP we have to learn to start buy black, invest in black owned companies. That will generate money within the Black community. The irony is that she used the same arguments as divestors, and now we understand why.




Ironically Kevin spoke of this years ago.

Dude, I'm not looking into it that deeply. I don't even know who this woman is, apparently she was on one of those "Real Housewives" shows according to a quick Google search.

All I heard her basically say was that many of us in the Black community collectively hold ourselves to a lower standard and thought "She's right "

Yet, she fails to explain why men with an academic degree don't want her.

I don't care about this random woman's dating life, and neither should you

 

[Canon]

black men make more on average than black women tho?

what is she babbling about

yeah so if black men are mediocre what are black women?

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

bus drivers dont make 18 a hour

School bus drivers do


Depending on where you live. I used to work for a company where airport shuttle drivers made less than that.


There isn’t one universal minimum wage for “bus drivers”. There are different types in different industries.

 

[ObsidianDev]

Can a black man say we need to tell the truth about black women?

Can he? Technically, yes. Will it likely be received well? Nope.

Media caters to women (including Black women), as women are the primary consumers within the market.

Fact of the matter is, we (Black men) allowed the most destructive and embarrassing members of our community have the biggest platforms and have a stranglehold on influencing the youth for the past 30 years.

We started out in this country with shackles and whips, then in the 90's we decided to askew the college classes, tv stations, law firms, doctors offices and police stations to go back to the shackles (gold chains) and whips (cars).

 

[Rekkapryde]

In the words of @Basaglia

She ain't nobody. I'm supposed to care what this goofy broad thinks.

 

[GR13]

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[bubba scotch]

black men make more on average than black women tho?

what is she babbling about

They'll never tell black women to step it up tho . Just babble about college enrollment

 

[GR13]

black men make more on average than black women tho?

what is she babbling about

yeah so if black men are mediocre what are black women?

white supremacy & sexism are holding black women back from their true potential unlike black men who are just broke, lazy, and unambitious

 

[Burned Verses]

I’ll just say that bus drivers provide more societal value than lawyers and a lot of white collar jobs tbh.

 

[High Art]

Fact of the matter is, we (Black men) allowed the most destructive and embarrassing members of our community have the biggest platforms and have a stranglehold on influencing the youth for the past 30 years.

Allowed? Black men own the media outlets and record companies out there? Are we really ignoring the fact that black men created shows like the Cosby Show, A Different World, and so many others meant to show positive black images? Are we really acting like positive black publications like Milestone were made by black men primarily did not exist? Are we really ignoring positive black music that many black men created? Are we really ignoring the movies people like Robert Townsend, Spike Lee, and so on made?

I mean come on now. This is what I'm talking about. Positive shyt out there exists and for whatever reason people will act like either it doesn't exist or never existed, even when some of it was not niche but very well known, even among white people then act like black men are to blame for this. Even these days, go to a jazz festival or anything relating to such and you will see black people performing but mainly white people viewing.

tl;dr - We as a whole need to spend less time blaming black men for shyt and figure out how to better promote the positive shyt they make.

 

[KingDanz]

 

[KidJSoul]

You need to relax. What exactly is your issue? Where was she putting down Black men? Did you hear her dog out BM with your own ears or are you just going off what people are saying here and social media?

It's called subtext and context

Most people aren't going to literally say what they mean if they know it sounds bad.

Pay attention to the misinformation and statistics she spreads, how she starts off attacking a subgroup of black men (blue-collar, bus drivers), then speaks about black men as as whole and generalizes them for not achieving enough, and how she ignores very real and documented factors causing them, when she gets called out. And then think of how she would respond if someone were to call out black women using the same type of language she is using.

I shouldn't even have to explain this to you, I'm probably wasting my time

 

[Voice of Reason]

She wasn't really dogging out Black men she basically was saying that she is a gold digger.

She reminds me of Tamron Hall in that case.

I think she dated a cac off of wall street and I guess the point she was trying to get across is that we need more Black men in the board room.