Draymond: “Old fvcks” need to accept Bron>>>MJ

[threattonature]

idk if I agree, but I see where Dray is coming from and his argument has validity.

LeBron's longevity is objectively unprecedented and better than Mike's. Regardless of how you feel about the it being easier to put up numbers today(it was mad easy to put up numbers in the 80s too ), the average player is objectively better than they used to be and LeBron has been dominating these dudes as the unanimous best player for over a decade. Especially compared to the 90s when Mike was abusing a watered down expansion era.

And Dray is of course gonna stand up for his team as the greatest ever assembled, so obviously he's gonna give the crown to the dude that beat them

And the shifts in the league during Bron's time is a great point for showing off his unprecedented versatility.

Where MJ still gets Bron in my book is he doesn't have the blemishes. Bron got historic Ls to his name like Dallas.

The biggest argument people use for Bron to be the greatest is the reason he isn't in my opinion. People always go with "he beat the greatest team ever". Well yeah you can't beat the greatest team ever when your team is the juggernauts. The Bulls were the big bad and dominated their era. Lebron has never been on a flat out dominant team and his teams were never the juggernauts. So how is Lebron the GOAT without leading GOAT teams?

Plus it ain't like the 80s Celtics team he lost to or those Pistons teams not some of the greatest too? Those Pistons teams were just as good as the Celtics and Lakers teams that many consider GOAT teams and MJ was fighting tooth and nail with them and eventually toppled the Pistons.

 

[VegasCAC]

Again, Dray going to ring this bell til the day he dies. Klutch, biz partners, homies, and then of course he can say "look, I played the 'GOAT' 4 times and have 3 rings against him" just like Lebron will keep parroting the 73-9 team was the "best team ever" so he can say "I came back from 3-1 on the best team ever"

It's a mutual self serving circle jerk

Same thing happens with Jordan tbh.

Players have agendas too

 

[Armchair Militant]

I don’t even think LeBron would say he was the best player in the league by 2005

 

[threattonature]

Are you really gonna sit here and pretend that Jerry Krause didn't put together that amazing Bulls dynasty, and fielded a team that was able to compete even WITHOUT MJ on the team? Drafting Horace, Scottie, getting Kerr, Ron Harper, Kukoc, BJ Armstrong, etc

Jordan played with ONE all star because there were now 6 new teams in the timeframe of him winning his rings, and the talent was spread even thinner throughout the league.

Rodman and Kerr were ELITE ROLE PLAYERS which is how you win championships, all throughout the NBA's history there are countless of examples of elite role players being the deciding factor in rings. Stop man

You completely disqualified yourself calling Steve Kerr and ELITE role player lol. Just stop talking basketball all together. All he could do on the court was shoot 3s. That's it. He wasn't a playmaker, defender and scored 8 a game for them. fukk outta here.

 

[InstantKlassik]

For me it’s simple, who was better at their apex, the height of their powers, so to speak..and the answer is MJ.

 

[DoubleClutch]

No he isn't. Just stop it man you never seen Penny Hardaway play outside of highlight compilations you sound ridiculous.

Whats that have to do with anything?

I never seen Jordan play in person but i know he’s the GOAT. Just imagine if I had seen him play court side

I’ve seen Miami Lebron play close up and

But I’m more impressed by skill than athleticism

 

[jaydawg08]

You completely disqualified yourself calling Steve Kerr and ELITE role player lol. Just stop talking basketball all together. All he could do on the court was shoot 3s. That's it. He wasn't a playmaker, defender and scored 8 a game for them. fukk outta here.

Uhh let's try english here for a second... What exactly is a role player. Someone who plays a specific role on a team correct (rebounding, shooting, playmaking, etc). Now what role did the Bulls ask of Kerr.. to make outside shots, specifically 3 pt shots. Now do me a favor and how well did Kerr shoot the 3 ball and take advantage of his role on the team?

I'll give you a hint, he was shooting 46-52% from 3

 

[ISO]

I'd agree there are numerous players with much more skill than Lebron. Hell, even Melo is a more gifted scorer, but certainly not a better player overall.
Lebrons biggest asset is longevity maintaining his athleticism and physicality. He's overall scoring has always been OD ugly

No there isn't. There aren't a lot of players with much more skill than LeBron. Melo isn't more skilled than LeBron that would only be true if your only gauge of skill was footwork, triple threat jab steps, midrange shooting touch. The gap between Melo and LeBron in terms of passing and dexterity+touch around the basket is huge. LeBron has always been a good triple threat player himself. There's a reason that despite Melo being a "pure scorer" he's beat by LeBron in any scoring metric.

His overall scoring is also not "OD ugly" I don't understand what y'all be watching. U want to see "OD ugly" watch RJ Barrett.

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

No there isn't. There aren't a lot of players with much more skill than LeBron. Melo isn't more skilled than LeBron that would only be true if your only gauge of skill was footwork, triple threat jab steps, midrange shooting touch. The gap between Melo and LeBron in terms of passing and dexterity+touch around the basket is huge. There's a reason that despite Melo being a "pure scorer" he's beat by LeBron in any scoring metric.

His overall scoring is also not "OD ugly" I don't understand what y'all be watching.

I didn’t say a lot I said numerous. Kobe, MJ, Kyrie, Steph are all more skilled than lebron w/ the ball

 

[ISO]

Whats that have to do with anything?

I never seen Jordan play in person but i know he’s the GOAT. Just imagine if I had seen him play court side

I’ve seen Miami Lebron play close up and

But I’m more impressed by skill than athleticism

Dude stop it. LeBron has made shots Penny has never even taken.

I can post LeBron hitting 30 footers, fadeaways behind the backboard, sky hooks, one foot floaters, acrobatic reverse layups, contested drifters. When Bron is in that zone it's a sight to behold. His highlight tape is far more impressive than Penny's if that was even the gauge stop glamorizing the past.

 

[viktordoomsecretwars]

Are you really gonna sit here and pretend that Jerry Krause didn't put together that amazing Bulls dynasty, and fielded a team that was able to compete even WITHOUT MJ on the team? Drafting Horace, Scottie, getting Kerr, Ron Harper, Kukoc, BJ Armstrong, etc

Jerry Krause did not want to draft Horace Grant. He wanted to draft some mediocre CAC called Joe Wolf who turned out to be a flop.

(1) Krause wanted to split the Bulls up as early as 1996 because he was an envious, egotistical clown.

(2) He wanted to trade Kemp for Pippen when Pippen was still in his prime in 1994.

(3) He wanted to split the 1997-1998 team up but he was stopped by Jerry Reisndorf.

(4) He brought in an unproven coach who had done nothing in his career to replace Phil Jackson and he flopped badly.

(5) Krause won NOTHING and was a failure without Jordan.

If Krause had his own way, he'll have replaced all of Jordan's teammates with unathletic white guys and Jordan would have been forced to leave the Bulls prematurely.

Anyway, off to watch some NFL. Draymond Green has Antonio Brown status at this point for the absurdities he spews these days. You guys can argue the merits of Lebron and Jordan all you want

 

[jaydawg08]

I didn’t say a lot I said numerous. Kobe, MJ, Kyrie, Steph are all more skilled than lebron w/ the ball

"More skilled w/the ball"... I suppose you mean better dribbling right? Cause Bron is right up there with getting to his spot and making a basket at an efficient level.

 

[Buck Seventy]

Who's shorty in the avi

Meagan Tandy. She's an actress.

 

[jaydawg08]

Jerry Krause did not want to draft Horace Grant. He wanted to draft some mediocre CAC called Joe Wolf who turned out to be a flop.

Krause wanted to split the Bulls up as early as 1996 because he was an envious, egotistical clown.

He wanted to trade Kemp for Pippen when Pippen was still in his prime in 1994.

He wanted to split the 1997-1998 team up but he was stopped by Jerry Reisndorf.

He brought in an unproven coach who had done nothing in his career to replace Phil Jackson and he flopped badly.

Krause won NOTHING and was a failure without Jordan.

If Krause had his own way, he'll have replaced all of Jordan's teammates with unathletic white guys and Jordan would have been forced to leave the Bulls prematurely.

And Jordan has proven that he is arguably THE WORST talent evaluator in all of the NBA. His franchise is a clown show, and it took him how many years to finally hit on his first ever high draft pick in LaMelo?

Krause was an egotistical clown, but you know who else was an egotistical a$$hole? Jordan.. who would moo at Krause, call him crumbs. Basically those 2 couldn't stand each other because Jordan was an a$$hole, lets call it what it is. Jordan was the one who said that Grant and Pippen were too soft and was lobbying for trades. Tried to get the team to pick Walter Davis (UNC alum), wanted to trade Horace for Buck Williams who was a client of his own agent David Faulk.

Thankfully (for the Bulls) they generally didn't listen to too much of Mikes input on that end.

 

[DTXwavey_02]

Penny Hardaway did everything lebron did and better

You out of yo fukking mind

You’re either retarded or just hate bron that much, cause ain’t no way