Draymond: “Old fvcks” need to accept Bron>>>MJ

[viktordoomsecretwars]

As a solo act it’s always gonna be Jordan over Bron. I just dislike it when people go overboard and say hyperbolic shyt like “It’s not even close! Jordan is a god!” MJ was amazing but there is no NBA equivalent to a Gretzky or a Pele.

Pele is not clearly the goat of his sport so you're wrong. Ability wise, its not close between Jordan and anyone is else.

Jordan was drafted to the worst team in the league that had several cokeheads on it. If he had come in having a great team like Magic did or a successful organization like Bird had, Jordan would have won 8, 9 or 10 rings.

Jordan did not play on a good team till he was 28 years old, and even then, it was far from obvious if that team was actually great till they won.

No other all time great Jordan gets compared to played on a good team for the 1st time at age 28. Lebron was already on his assembled team in Miami at age 25.

Despite being drafted to an awful situation, in 10 full seasons from 1988-1998, Jordan had 6 championships, 6 finals MVP's, 10 scoring titles, 5 MVP's and a Defensive player of the year. An unprecedented run in modern American sports history.

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

Klutchmond staying on point.

Who's shorty in the avi?

 

[DoubleClutch]

I'd agree there are numerous players with much more skill than Lebron. Hell, even Melo is a more gifted scorer, but certainly not a better player overall.
Lebrons biggest asset is longevity maintaining his athleticism and physicality. He's overall scoring has always been OD ugly

Yea but Melo couldn’t pass like penny or handle the ball like a point guard. Also Penny was a way better athlete. I’m not just talking about scoring skill. We all know many players are way more skilled scores than Lebron.

It’s lebrons all around game and the combination of different elements which makes his fans/analysts call him the “goat”

Think about it, if lebron didn’t pass or play PG he’d probably be seen as no greater than someone on the level of Karl Malone.

 

[Malcolmxxx_23]

Bron is the goat

@Poitier

 

[jaydawg08]

Pele is not clearly the goat of his sport so you're wrong. Ability wise, its not close between Jordan and anyone is else.

Jordan was drafted to the worst team in the league that had several cokeheads on it. If he had come in having a great team like Magic did or a successful organized like Bird had, Jordan would have won 8, 9 or 10 rings.

Jordan did not play on a good team till he was 28 years old, and even then, it was far from obvious if that team was actually great till they won.

No other all time great Jordan gets compared to played on a good team for the 1st time at age 28.

Despite being drafted to an awful situation, in 10 full seasons from 1988-1998, Jordan had 6 championships, 6 finals MVP's, 10 scoring titles, 5 MVP's and a Defensive player of the year. An unprecedented run in modern American sports history.

Jordan had the benefit of one of the greatest GM's, coach, defensive player, 3pt shooter, and rebounders of all time. Let's not pretend that MJ was dragging trash all over the place

If MJ was given the ability that modern players are, to have a say in team/roster construction... he probably isn't winning as much as he did cause he's an atrocious evaluator of talent who was consistently told NOO by Jerry Krause (and rightfully so)

 

[ISO]

Penny Hardaway did everything lebron did and better

 

[Malcolmxxx_23]

@number21 get mad

 

[inndaskKy]

And contrary to Draymond, I'm not an "old-head". I'll be 30 next year.

 

[viktordoomsecretwars]

Jordan had the benefit of one of the greatest GM's, coach, defensive player, 3pt shooter, and rebounders of all time. Let's not pretend that MJ was dragging trash all over the place

If MJ was given the ability that modern players are, to have a say in team/roster construction... he probably isn't winning as much as he did cause he's an atrocious evaluator of talent who was consistently told NOO by Jerry Krause (and rightfully so)

Greatest GM's - how many championships did Krause win before or after Jordan?

Greatest Coach - how many championships did Phil Jackson win before Jordan? Phil Jackson was considered a weirdo and a joke around the league before he became Jordan's coach.

Defensive player, 3 pt shooter, rebounder - Jordan is the only all time great not allowed to play with good players. Besides, its been proven Jordan played with the fewest all-stars of any of the other traditionally considered top 10 players of all time.

Jordan only played with ONE all star consistently throughout his career in Pippen, yet he is the most successful player ever.

Rodman and Kerr were role players not superstars.

Your other point doesn't make any sense.

 

[ISO]

Its hard to make a convincing argument for a guy who is an entire hall of fame career ahead of the other guy , whilst doing it in a much tougher, more physical era.

Lebron is 6'8 260 and has good ball skills. He's a really good player. He's supposed to dominate in the no-touch era. Jordan would have laid waste and seige to this powder puff era.

And contrary to Draymond, I'm not an "old-head". I'll be 30 next year. But most of the younger fans can know who the GOAT is.

Look at this clown talking about “no touch era” when LeBron came into the league in arguably the worst offensive era in league history and dominated as a teenager.

This clown is only 29 and spends his free time watching full Jordan games from before he was born instead of actually enjoying the era he’s lived through.

 

[red222]

His ass has to stay on code LeBron is this generation's Jordan but he ain't Jordan

 

[Boonapalist]

Somehow someway Dray finds a way to make GS fans look at him funny every month

 

[jaydawg08]

Greatest GM's - how many championships did Krause win before or after Jordan?

Defensive player, 3 pt shooter, rebounder - Jordan is the only all time great not allowed to play with good players. Besides, its been proven Jordan played with the fewest all-stars of any of the other traditionally considered top 10 players of all time.

Jordan only played with ONE all star consistently throughout his career in Pippen, yet he is the most successful player ever.

Rodman and Kerr were role players not superstars.

Your other point doesn't make any sense.

Are you really gonna sit here and pretend that Jerry Krause didn't put together that amazing Bulls dynasty, and fielded a team that was able to compete even WITHOUT MJ on the team? Drafting Horace, Scottie, getting Kerr, Ron Harper, Kukoc, BJ Armstrong, etc

Jordan played with ONE all star because there were now 6 new teams in the timeframe of him winning his rings, and the talent was spread even thinner throughout the league.

Rodman and Kerr were ELITE ROLE PLAYERS which is how you win championships, all throughout the NBA's history there are countless of examples of elite role players being the deciding factor in rings. Stop man

 

[Leonard Washington]

Penny Hardaway did everything lebron did and better

Anfernee was my guy but

 

[ISO]

I agree lebron is #2. But Penny was more skilled overall

No he isn't. Just stop it man you never seen Penny Hardaway play outside of highlight compilations you sound ridiculous.