Dr Marcus Garvey Jr. The Arab Slave Trade

[Blackking]

Lol... you are such a cornball.

This mean so much come from you. I can see y u wouldn't like that statement.. I wouldn't expect u to try to understand the points. I see now u were just trying to talk shyt to @Shabazz Mathematics Allah and @Broke Wave and really not try to understand.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

This mean so much come from you. I can see y u wouldn't like that statement.. I wouldn't expect u to try to understand the points. I see now u were just trying to talk shyt to @Shabazz Mathematics Allah and @Broke Wave and really not try to understand.

Lol...yeah there's such a great wealth of knowledge and insight I can gain from talking to you.

Shabazz and Broke, like most posters, will simply let their position be known. You, like clockwork in every thread you post in, will inevitably get frustrated and start casting aspersions on peoples' character and mentality, and state that's why they don't "understand" what your saying. But in reality, your argument is just weak.

 

[theworldismine13]

as long as you understand that the religion itself is not bad everything is good. there's a reason why blacks say the white man is the devil, not "christians are devils".

like i said i dont really have any comment about religion aside from stating my belief in freedom of religion and pointing out that IMO islam and christianity are basically the same thing and if you think the white man is the devil, you must also acknowledge that the arab is the devil

 

[theworldismine13]

I agree.. and I know what ur saying. Slavery was gross in any case. You guys aren't pro black and aren't fully invested in the black community -so you can't see why the Tran Atlantic is the one that is pointed out.

this is where you start going of the rails, when you start claiming to be more pro black while peddling an arab religion

It's pointed out because it's the one that has effected us the most. None of us downplay gross things that have happened. Arabs were violent, mutilating, and rapist. So were the cac's. The translantic is spoken about and focused on because of the mental brainwashing it provided was slightly more potent.

and this is where you go more off the rails, the transatlantic slave trade definitely effected us most because we are all from west africa which is where the european got most their slaves, but outside of west africa there is a whole continent of africa

while white christians were enslaving and committing genocide in west africa, muslims were enslaving and commiting genocide in east and north africa

so you have to be careful when you say we, "we" are much more than west africans im and its actually an open question which one impacted africans the most, because the arab slave trade started before the europeans and also lasted longer and also there was a lot of castration

Most black Muslims pre translantic were still proud black men.

there is no way to know that because black muslims in africa also participated in slavery, so there is no real basis for this statement, you are just pulling it out your ass

Many of the current black muslims 1900 -2013 are converts to the religion... converted either because they feel it or because it's associated with groups that have broken down mental chains of oppression placed on us by cac's.

and a lot of that conversion happened by not talking about islamic slavery and by suggesting that islam was morally superior and suggesting islam was the black man's true religion

Furthermore it's not a religion that's accepted by the average CAC and America shyts on it.. and it's a religion that helps keep u focused on ur business and family. So That the reason y the other slavery is spoken about more. IT affected us the most and it's effects are now self perpetuating with little maintenance needed by current cac's. That's not a way to ignore or make excuses for Arab slavery... But that's not the one that hits home. problack people are concerned about black people... When arabs effect us we speak out about it... for example degrading businesses in our communities. We don't give a fukk if they are Muslim at that point.. There is more to it than this.... but basically the reactions are appropriately targeted.

it doesnt matter if america and cacs shyt it on it, islam is an arab religion, it cannot ever be the black man's religion, we are african, we are not white or arab and we have our own religions

if a black man as an individual decides to follow that religion, that is a personal choice, but it is not the black man's religion, all you are doing is going from a white religion to an arab religion

 

[Hip-Hop-Bulls]

like i said i dont really have any comment about religion aside from stating my belief in freedom of religion and pointing out that IMO islam and christianity are basically the same thing and if you think the white man is the devil, you must also acknowledge that the arab is the devil

another thing to clear up before leaving is that "Arab" is not a "race", and the original arabs were blacks. Nowadays there's lots of white arabs, but that's because they pushed out and mixed with the original black people that were living there like everywhere else on the planet where there's a majority white population.



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[theworldismine13]

another thing to clear up before leaving is that "Arab" is not a "race", and the original arabs were blacks. Nowadays there's lots of white arabs, but that's because they pushed out and mixed with the original black people that were living there like everywhere else on the planet where there's a majority white population.

Is Islam An African Religion? The Dr Wesley Muhammad-Dr Ray Hagins Debate - YouTube

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When the World Was Black: The Untold History of the World’s First Civilizations Parts 1 and 2 | Supreme Design Publishing
Black Arabia & The African Origin of Islam: Dr. Wesley Muhammad: 9780982161890: Amazon.com: Books

I know who he is, but islam is very recent religion, it started around 600 AD, so the original Arabs might have been black going back thousands of years, but by Muhammad's time they weren't, and the new Arabs were the ones that spread Islam

And a lot of christianity can also be traced to africa, so again all you are doing is showing the parrellels and similarities between Christianity and Islam, how whites and white Arabs took African spirituality and turned and used it to their benefit and used to conquer and oppress other people

So in the end the white man and the white Arab if you want to call him that are devils and these religions are being controlled by them so neither of those religions can be considered the black man's religion

 

[Blackking]

islam was morally superior and suggesting islam was the black man's true religion

it doesnt matter if america and cacs shyt it on it, islam is an arab religion, it cannot ever be the black man's religion, we are african, we are not white or arab and we have our own religions

if a black man as an individual decides to follow that religion, that is a personal choice, but it is not the black man's religion, all you are doing is going from a white religion to an arab religion

LOL, none of this I ever said or "suggested". You don't understand Islam... Obviously. It's not about a race... and fyi, arab isn't a race. There are black, white and asian arabs. Some of the regions that you all talk about were more black than arab at points in history.

Regardless.. I think you all are confusing all the posters on here with shyt yall seen in movies and youtube. I don't think Islam is the black mans religion.. I just think that some black men should be allowed to practice it- and live peacefully and in that way without some misguided muhfukka coming outta NOwhere like.. blah blah blah blah.


Either way, most of the time I'm in these debates alone with you all. Lately there has been more posters on here to speak truth to you misguided souls..... in HL. The rest of The Coli is less ignorant about certain things.

 

[Blackking]

So I the end the white man and the white Arab if you want to call him that are devils

It's funny how debating with certain groups of people can change a man. Didn't think u had that in your soft ass. But seriously, what do u mean by devil?

 

[theworldismine13]

LOL, none of this I ever said or "suggested". You don't understand Islam... Obviously. It's not about a race... and fyi, arab isn't a race. There are black, white and asian arabs. Some of the regions that you all talk about were more black than arab at points in history.

Yes you have suggested it, you said that Muslims were the only ones that stood up to slavery when in reality Muslims were the actual slave traders in many cases and some if them were "black Arabs"

That is why what you are saying is a lie, the Arabs, whatever color they were were just as devilish as the white man

Regardless.. I think you all are confusing all the posters on here with shyt yall seen in movies and youtube. I don't think Islam is the black mans religion.. I just think that some black men should be allowed to practice it- and live peacefully and in that way without some misguided muhfukka coming outta NOwhere like.. blah blah blah blah.

Nobody is stopping you from practicing your religion, you have freedom of religion, but we also have freedom of speech so everybody has the right to say whatever they want about Islam

If you come around spreading lies then obviously you will be confronted

 

[theworldismine13]

It's funny how debating with certain groups of people can change a man. Didn't think u had that in your soft ass. But seriously, what do u mean by devil?

I don't really believe in the white man is the devil terminology

In the HOK videos, if you watch them, Polite and Seti had that debate and I took Polite's side

[ame]http://youtu.be/UGELfZvcDIM[/ame]

I'm just saying that using the same criteria on Arabs that you use on whites, any neutral figure would have to say that Arabs are also devils.....unless you are a Muslim then you will tap dance around it like you and your buddies have been doing

 

[88m3]

oh god really...

 

[Bondye Vodou]

like i said i dont really have any comment about religion aside from stating my belief in freedom of religion and pointing out that IMO islam and christianity are basically the same thing and if you think the white man is the devil, you must also acknowledge that the arab is the devil

Too much truth

 

[Bondye Vodou]

N R.I.P Marcus Garvey

A real Prophet

 

[Blackking]

I don't really believe in the white man is the devil terminology

In the HOK videos, if you watch them, Polite and Seti had that debate and I took Polite's side

POLIGHT 24/7 1st Round Knockout Seti vs POLIGHT Debate (The 1st Presentation POLIGHT) - YouTube

I'm just saying that using the same criteria on Arabs that you use on whites, any neutral figure would have to say that Arabs are also devils.....unless you are a Muslim then you will tap dance around it like you and your buddies have been doing

I'm not understanding why you need us to say the Arab is the devil. Some Arabs are the devil... but that holds no importance in a religious or cultural debate.


Polite and Seti = both use the word nikka, so I don't see how you could f with either one. And I really don't like this problack vs blackpower debate shyt.

I get what he's saying... if you say the white man is the devil.. and the devil should be eliminated.. then why not kill the devil inside you. "

I say, it wouldn't help the cause to kill cac's and you can't change their nature regardless. However, I do agree with killing the devil inside you. If you know what that phrase truly means then you should be able to understand y so many black men turn to Islam.

Anyway, you hype this brother.... so you must love Dr York?

Do you know about Polite and his views? .. I'm not as against him as others,, but I can see how people dislike him. When he speaks about money.. I like that shyt. He makes some good points... plus Seti might be a lil off his rocker. However, Polite has like 7 wives, steals others material, likes white chicks and like homosexuality and justifies homosexuality between two men. I can't get down w all of that. Anyway, I agree w both of these dudes. Polite is right on economics, wrong on empowerment and white people. We don't need to be lead to the water by white people... that's what Polite advocates. I say we can't work within the system to empower ourselves. We've tried assimilation and trusting others.

@88m3 tell the truth, are you Bro Polite in real life?

 

[theworldismine13]

I'm not understanding why you need us to say the Arab is the devil. Some Arabs are the devil... but that holds no importance in a religious or cultural debate.

i already said why, its because arabs meet the same criteria as white people

and that fine's if you think some arabs are the devil but it holds no importance in a religious or cultural debate as long as you say that some white people are the devil but it holds no importance in a religious or cultural debate

you should be consistent, if the white man is the devil for the transatlantic slave trade then obviously the arab must be the devil for the east africa and north africa slave trade

that fact that you tap dance around the devilishness of arabs and muslims shows you have been brainwashed by them

Polite and Seti = both use the word nikka, so I don't see how you could f with either one. And I really don't like this problack vs blackpower debate shyt.

i dont see what nikka has to do with anything,

ive stated my views on the use of nikka, i agree and disagree with both polite and seti or marcus garvey or anybody else for that matter depending on what the issue is, i was only referring to the concept of the white man being the devil, on that issue i took polight's side, that is all i said, im not sure where you get this idea that i use nikka as some litmus test

I get what he's saying... if you say the white man is the devil.. and the devil should be eliminated.. then why not kill the devil inside you. "

that isnt what he was saying, that was i side point that he was making in the beginning

his actual point is that the "white man is the devil" is just a crutch that black people use to not take responsibility for our situation

and also he goes on to say that there isnt anything that the white man has done that hasnt been done also by other races

If you know what that phrase truly means then you should be able to understand y so many black men turn to Islam.

i completely understand why black people turn to christianity and islam, and they should do whatever they want, i believe in freedom of religion

i only have a problem when people start spreading lies like you are doing

Anyway, you hype this brother.... so you must love Dr York?
Do you know about Polite and his views? .. I'm not as against him as others,, but I can see how people dislike him. When he speaks about money.. I like that shyt. He makes some good points... plus Seti might be a lil off his rocker. However, Polite has like 7 wives, steals others material, likes white chicks and like homosexuality and justifies homosexuality between two men. I can't get down w all of that. Anyway, I agree w both of these dudes. Polite is right on economics, wrong on empowerment and white people. We don't need to be lead to the water by white people... that's what Polite advocates. I say we can't work within the system to empower ourselves. We've tried assimilation and trusting others.

@88m3 tell the truth, are you Bro Polite in real life?

i cosign polight's focus on economics and education, and that is about it

i only brought up polight because of the whole 'white man is the devil' thing because i think he made a good argument as to why its just a crutch

thats why you have a problem accepting things like the technological gap, instead of taking responsibility and correcting the problem, you want to blame white people for the technological gap or pretend it doesnt exist

the people like you that believe the white man is the devil usually end up jumping from the frying pan of white christianity to the fire of arab islam, that is where elija muhammed and malcom x fuked up