Dr Marcus Garvey Jr. The Arab Slave Trade

[Dusty Bake Activate]

this is all child's play, dont pay it no mind

Black African Slaves castrated by Muslims - Islam and slavery - YouTube

Despicable.

 

[88m3]

@88m3 tell the truth, are you Bro Polite in real life?

laugh, no I had to google him. all that stuff really irks me bad and a lot of people are deep into it. idk if hes another smooth talker but a lot of them are, reminds me of black churches. id go on a rant but I'm too tired

 

[GetInTheTruck]

N R.I.P Marcus Garvey

A real Prophet

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Islam has always been considered the "dark mans" religion, ever since way back. Europeans never made a distinction between Arabs, Africans, etc.

Africans ditched their own native religions for Islam, they made that choice on their own, Arabs didn't make that for them. That doesn't mean we shouldn't know about the Arab role in slavery, but you guys are just trying too hard to manufacture a narrative that just isn't there.

 

[theworldismine13]

Islam has always been considered the "dark mans" religion, ever since way back. Europeans never made a distinction between Arabs, Africans, etc.

Africans ditched their own native religions for Islam, they made that choice on their own, Arabs didn't make that for them. That doesn't mean we shouldn't know about the Arab role in slavery, but you guys are just trying too hard to manufacture a narrative that just isn't there.

Nobody is telling anybody what their religion should be, some africans choose to convert to islam and some choose to convert to christianity, that is neither here nor there since that falls under freedom of religion

I don't see how the European views are relevant, we are talking about the African point of view, and from that point of view neither Arabs and Europeans or their religions are indigenous to africa

the videos are just presenting historical facts about Islam and slavery, people can do whatever they want with those facts

 

[The Real]

Islam has always been considered the "dark mans" religion, ever since way back. Europeans never made a distinction between Arabs, Africans, etc.

Africans ditched their own native religions for Islam, they made that choice on their own, Arabs didn't make that for them. That doesn't mean we shouldn't know about the Arab role in slavery, but you guys are just trying too hard to manufacture a narrative that just isn't there.

I think this narrative is as biased as the one being promoted by the more ardently anti-Muslim posters here. And whether or not Europeans made a distinction between themselves and Arabs/Africans, Arabs definitely made some distinctions between themselves and Africans. All the stereotypes about Black people being beasts, ape-like, stupid, lustful/rapacious, etc, all originate in the Arab world, and were only later imported to Europe. Again, I'm not trying to enter the Islam discussion, though.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Nobody is telling anybody what their religion should be, some africans choose to convert to islam and some choose to convert to christianity, that is neither here nor there since that falls under freedom of religion

I don't see how the European views are relevant, we are talking about the African point of view, and from that point of view neither Arabs and Europeans or their religions are indigenous to africa

the videos are just presenting historical facts about Islam and slavery, people can do whatever they want with those facts

You say that but you don't really believe it.

Africans had their own belief systems prior to Islam and Christianity, true, so why were they so easily dispensed of? the reason is because they were too divided. So instead of uniting all Africans under one God, you'd rather have tribes warring with each other and all kinds of other madness? That's what the Arabs were doing before Muhammad united them under one banner and right after that they went on to take over a substantial part of the planet. As a self-proclaimed "black imperialist," isn't that what you want? Islam is just a superior way of life to what they had prior. It is what it is.

 

[Type Username Here]

Europeans never made a distinction between Arabs, Africans, etc.

That's fine, but they were wrong.

Arabs are much closer related genetically to Europeans than to Africans. It isn't even close.

There are African tribes which are more genetically different than other African tribes than the differences between Europeans and Arabs.

The point is that non-African conquerors and imperialists went into Africa and forced their way of life onto them. Forced conversions don't always happen under the threat of the sword, sometimes it's under the threat of social pressures.

The truth is that Islam and the Caliphates were the British Empires and American Empires of their day.

Talk about the chickens coming home to roost.

 

[Blackking]

Nobody is telling anybody what their religion should be

Without focusing on your bias....

Imagine if every black person in America was a Muslim. Every single one, living the lifestyle.

United as brothers, unlike the way we are now. Imagine if we ate the way Muslims eat.. think about our health. Imagine if our morals had an Islamic standard, not the standards of hadiths or arab scholars, but Islamic and righteous... Do you think Urban culture would promote the things it promotes?

Imagine if black men spoke to women and men the way that black Muslims speak to each other?

Muslims focus on Business HARD CORE. They focus on education, especially technology.. hard Core. Family and community is #1 focus.. even caring about those who are lost and ignorant in the community (which is y I defend rap and all that shyt)


Without being bias... Don't you feel we would be better off united under one system of community structure and economic empowerment?

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I think this narrative is as biased as the one being promoted by the more ardently anti-Muslim posters here. And whether or not Europeans made a distinction between themselves and Arabs/Africans, Arabs definitely made some distinctions between themselves and Africans. All the stereotypes about Black people being beasts, ape-like, stupid, lustful/rapacious, etc, all originate in the Arab world, and were only later imported to Europe. Again, I'm not trying to enter the Islam discussion, though.

Every people will naturally make distinctions. Every pro-black poster here will be quick to claim Egypt as their own while conveniently ignoring the fact that they distinguished themselves from their Nubian neighbors, even though they were both technically "black." If a black american were transported back in time to ancient Egypt they wouldn't be looked at as brothers to anybody over there. That's a harsh reality a lot of people want to ignore.

And I'm well aware of how conceited Arabs are, I've had my own experiences with them. But I know what Islam is, and I know what Muhammad taught, and I know that Arabs aren't immune to the hell-fire...anybody can get it, and those Arabs who transgressed will pay for their crimes when those scales are weighed.

 

[Broke Wave]

Islam has always been considered the "dark mans" religion, ever since way back. Europeans never made a distinction between Arabs, Africans, etc.

Africans ditched their own native religions for Islam, they made that choice on their own, Arabs didn't make that for them. That doesn't mean we shouldn't know about the Arab role in slavery, but you guys are just trying too hard to manufacture a narrative that just isn't there.

As if the Arabs enslaved every corner of Africa from the Horn to the Cape to the Coast

I swear these cats geography game is

How can these dudes claim to talk about Black History when they don't even know about the Mali/Ghana/Songhai empires, lead and dominated by Black African Muslims in the west, or the various Black African Muslim empires on the East Indian trade routes?

This narrative of Muslims coming to Africa and enslaving everybody and changing their roots is another way of excusing the Trans-Atlantic slave-trade, which is totally historically incomparable, yet TWISM says they are the same.

As I said in a previous post, Africa is a HUGE place, with huge variation, the experience of Arab Muslims in one place is in total contrast to another.

I think this narrative is as biased as the one being promoted by the more ardently anti-Muslim posters here. And whether or not Europeans made a distinction between themselves and Arabs/Africans, Arabs definitely made some distinctions between themselves and Africans. All the stereotypes about Black people being beasts, ape-like, stupid, lustful/rapacious, etc, all originate in the Arab world, and were only later imported to Europe. Again, I'm not trying to enter the Islam discussion, though.

Of course. I think this post is 100% true, but lets add the caveat that the ancient Arabs, Muslim or not, were on the whole as greedy, ignorant, racist, and overall dull as the rest of the dark-age world. I'm sure dark-age African kingdoms we're not a bastion of anti-racist rhetoric (spoiler alert: they weren't)

Furthermore, let me re-iterate for the third time that the sporadic slave-trading by Arabs during the dark and middle ages can not even be compared to what we all agree is the worst genocide and crime against humanity ever, that is not to excuse the Arabs, but even to compare them in terms of scale is laughable.

 

[theworldismine13]

You say that but you don't really believe it.

Africans had their own belief systems prior to Islam and Christianity, true, so why were they so easily dispensed of? the reason is because they were too divided. So instead of uniting all Africans under one God, you'd rather have tribes warring with each other and all kinds of other madness? That's what the Arabs were doing before Muhammad united them under one banner and right after that they went on to take over a substantial part of the planet. As a self-proclaimed "black imperialist," isn't that what you want? Islam is just a superior way of life to what they had prior. It is what it is.

I believe in freedom of religion

And no I don't think Islam or Christianity is an appropriate vehicle for black unity for the aforementioned reasons, that is the whole point I'm making, Islam is not an appropriate religion for black people

 

[Chris.B]

You cannot accuse Christianity of being foreign to the black man and then turn around and embrace Islam.

It doesn't make sense

 

[Blackking]

That's fine, but they were wrong.

Arabs are much closer related genetically to Europeans than to Africans. It isn't even close.

There are African tribes which are more genetically different than other African tribes than the differences between Europeans and Arabs.

The point is that non-African conquerors and imperialists went into Africa and forced their way of life onto them. Forced conversions don't always happen under the threat of the sword, sometimes it's under the threat of social pressures.

The truth is that Islam and the Caliphates were the British Empires and American Empires of their day.

Talk about the chickens coming home to roost.

For the most part black men accepted Islam, for similar reasons some accept it today. It's not a big deal.

Muhammad and those guys did have wars and there was imperialism, but that wasn't the sole reason why much of Africa accepted Islam. Every powerful African, Middle Eastern.. and Persian empire back then did the imperialism thing.. it's natural to expand.

I don't think black people feel that Arabs are black. African's are black. On one thread you all are saying "their is no such thing as race" and " black people shouldn't be militant in their causes" ... then on another thread the conversation essentially amounts to " You nikkas should hate and even kill A Rats because they enslaved the parts of Africa that you're ancestor are more than likely not even from" .

Black Muslims aren't feeling any of that. We know history. We know and love everyone in our Diaspora first. The Europeans looked at (and some still look at) all brown and black people as inferior. We aren't even united as black people. People of the Caribbean don't want to be associated with black Americans, and Africans are hostile from one village to the next.. So we aren't on here saying that Arabs are our people. We are just curious- as to y there is a push by Non pro black people to encourage blacks, especially black Muslims to be upset about past history. The transatlantic slave trade doesn't even upset me. It's gross and despicable but Anger never solved anything. I don't hate anyone.. I just recognize people and situations for what they are. If I was still in Nubia.. There would be both Africans and Arabs that would want to kill me for various reasons... what good does it do me to be upset or harp on that?? I just need to understand the situation and try to live at peace.

Peace.

 

[Type Username Here]

This narrative of Muslims coming to Africa and enslaving everybody and changing their roots is another way of excusing the Trans-Atlantic slave-trade, which is totally historically incomparable, yet TWISM says they are the same.

Source?

Historians estimate that between 10 and 18 million Africans were enslaved by Arab slave traders and taken across the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara desert between 650 and 1900.

Current estimates are that about 12 million were shipped across the Atlantic,

Seems comparable to me.

Arab slave trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Atlantic slave trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia