Does the large Caribbean presence in NYC's Hip Hop scene explain the disconnect with other regions?

[IllmaticDelta]

look it up! You know what, allow me. This is apart of Jamaican history. Be open-minded, you might learn something today.

I knew about Ladinos but just how much are we defining as many?

 

[SlowPaceThrillah]

You must be upset that y'all only contribution to music is derived from AMERICAN R&B.
"Toasting" = emulating AMERICAN deejays talking jive talk over the air.
The little shyt y'all folks made still came from us.
I guess reggae is original because y'all added some "mento" "riddim" to already written R&B standards from the 40s and 50s...riiiiiiiiiiiiiight?
Y'all didn't create hip hop. You didn't contribute to it. It has nothing to do with your home island. Incorporating dancehall "styling" after....modern dancehall emulated rap and took the singing out of the delivery, right?
Don't ask me anything about my personal life trying to hype your people up. Y'all get taken to task EVERY DAY.
Stop trying to rewrite history, you weren't there....I wasn't, either.

Ehh, I'm not sure you can write off the influence of carribean music like that. In the realm of hip-hop, possibly... Otherwise tho dub music feels like the start of bass heavy dance, which informs the low end of almost all non-guitar band music like jungle, drum n bass, house (altho it had the disco sound), then the newer shyt.

Now, arguably, you can say funk breaks had more to do with that, but tubby smacking his amps during his recording sessions, ionno, not a lot of other people back then seemed to be making skeletal productions that leant more on raw sonics than adhereing to the song structures and melodies you'd hear in american pop music. That aesthetic seem's to have more in common with the way rap is going now as well.

Correct me if I'm wrong tho

 

[Budda]

You can't seriously believe that...

Erm yes i do.

 

[Budda]

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Like pot calling kettle black, America is still Englands child as well, in fact America is still partly indebted to the City of London.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

This was being discussed in another thread:


That's exactly the point I made earlier, the roots of Hip Hop culture are not African American.

It didn't take very long for African Americans to dominate the culture but New York's style is heavily Caribbean influenced to this day.

The New York Hip Hop scene never fukked with the Hip Hop scenes in the rest of the country like that unless nikkas made music that sounded exactly like them (i.e. Common, Lupe, Hiero, Cypress Hill, etc). When you compare the music they don't like to each other - UGK, E-40, Do Or Die, etc. - the commonalities stand out:

- Heavier bass lines
- Heavier focus on melody
- Less focus on rapping about rhyme skills, more Bluesy subject matter
- Heavier use of P-Funk elements

This isn't by accident.

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has something to do with type of Blues roots the Upper South blacks come from.

 

[HoldThisL]

Judging by this thread we all have some type of Carribean ancestry?

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

Like pot calling kettle black, America is still Englands child as well, in fact America is still partly indebted to the City of London.

Miss me with that retarded youtube conspiracy theory knowledge.
When the US says jump, BRITAIN jumps now.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

Ehh, I'm not sure you can write off the influence of carribean music like that. In the realm of hip-hop, possibly... Otherwise tho dub music feels like the start of bass heavy dance, which informs the low end of almost all non-guitar band music like jungle, drum n bass, house (altho it had the disco sound), then the newer shyt.

Now, arguably, you can say funk breaks had more to do with that, but tubby smacking his amps during his recording sessions, ionno, not a lot of other people back then seemed to be making skeletal productions that leant more on raw sonics than adhereing to the song structures and melodies you'd hear in american pop music. That aesthetic seem's to have more in common with the way rap is going now as well.

Correct me if I'm wrong tho

You're wrong because people didn't listen to their music at all and it had nothing to do with ours.
Funk and Disco only, fam.

 

[Poitier]

Erm yes i do.

Igbo and Yoruba culture is vastly different. They look different, too.

 

[Poitier]

Otherwise tho dub music feels like the start of bass heavy dance, which informs the low end of almost all non-guitar band music like jungle, drum n bass, house (altho it had the disco sound), then the newer shyt.

What nikkas in the midwest was listening to dub?

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

What nikkas in the midwest was listening to dub?

No fukking body. They were listening to FUNK.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

House came from DISCO...

 

[Poitier]

No fukking body. They were listening to FUNK.

All my immediate fam is from the D....heard Blues, Funk, Disco, Techno, House, Soul and Rap but never Jamaican music.

Heck, they played more Euro musicians around me growing up than Jamaican music.

 

[L $ C]

whew...really good thread

 

[Miggs]

Kool Herc was jamaican...i know that stings some of you,you cant take jamaican out of the equation...