Does the large Caribbean presence in NYC's Hip Hop scene explain the disconnect with other regions?

[bouncy]

I hear what you're saying, but hear me:

The bold is what i'm saying. NYers live different from most people.

I have an auntie from the deep south that went to NY to go to school. She became a completely different person.
You have to. You have to be "New Yorky" to live in New York. You have to walk with traffic. You have to talk like
a New Yorker. Even a Black New Yorker will cuss someone out like a non-Black New Yorker, they'll say the same chit. It's wild.
You gotta call Sweet & Sour Sauce "Duck Sauce". It's a whole 'nother animal from any place.

Conversely, Oakland niccas = KC niccas = St. Louis niccas = Memphis niccas = Detroit niccas =
Louisville niccas = Cleveland niccas = Seattle niccas, and I can go on.

I just realized, I still say duck sauce, and I've been all over the east coast

You sure it's not called duck sauce?

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

I hear what you're saying, but hear me:

The bold is what i'm saying. NYers live different from most people.

I have an auntie from the deep south that went to NY to go to school. She became a completely different person.
You have to. You have to be "New Yorky" to live in New York. You have to walk with traffic. You have to talk like
a New Yorker. Even a Black New Yorker will cuss someone out like a non-Black New Yorker, they'll say the same chit. It's wild.
You gotta call Sweet & Sour Sauce "Duck Sauce". It's a whole 'nother animal from any place.

Conversely, Oakland niccas = KC niccas = St. Louis niccas = Memphis niccas = Detroit niccas =
Louisville niccas = Cleveland niccas = Seattle niccas, and I can go on.

nah...detroit/cleveland have nothing in common with those other spots at all...besides rowdiness and access to hammers.
Sweet/Sour and duck sauce are not the same thing.
same with memphis and louisville...
STL/LOUISVILLE/KC = i can see that.

Detroit/Cleveland/PGH/Buffalo/Rochester = similar...and got hit with a chicago rather than LA gang wave.

Seattle shouldn't be in the convo at all, barely any nikkas there to register...

 

[Taadow]

To an extent I could see that, Frisco is like that to a small extent. Its certain shyt nikkas in Frisco will fukk with that nobody else in the Bay does let alone the rest of the country lol. Oakland nikkas were always more in tune with the Southern/Midwestern music scenes... a lot of Frisco nikkas only slap Bay Area shyt with some SoCal shyt mixed in sometimes. The provincialism factor probably does account for a lot of it in New York... The moment you're in a black city/community that's outside of NYC's sphere of influence though (i.e. Philly) you're back in Black America tho lol.

Exactly.

I've listened to enough Bay Rap where if I come across some cat I don't know, I can tell from his style where he's from.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

Sweet/Sour sauce is pear based...Duck sauce is plum.
Mumbo sauce >>>

 

[bouncy]

nah...detroit/cleveland have nothing in common with those other spots at all...besides rowdiness and access to hammers.
Sweet/Sour and duck sauce are not the same thing.
same with memphis and louisville...
STL/LOUISVILLE/KC = i can see that.

Detroit/Cleveland/PGH/Buffalo/Rochester = similar...and got hit with a chicago rather than LA gang wave.

Seattle shouldn't be in the convo at all, barely any nikkas there to register...

Sweet/Sour sauce is pear based...Duck sauce is plum.
Mumbo sauce >>>

Damn, you sound like me.

Mumbo sauce is the SHIIIIITTTT!

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

Upstate is weird. nikkas say pop, bang chicago gangs, and their houses look like cleveland or akron...shyt is still Nyish, tho. Hard to explain

 

[bouncy]

Upstate is weird. nikkas say pop, bang chicago gangs, and their houses look like cleveland or akron...shyt is still Nyish, tho. Hard to explain

Yep, Upstate is like a mix of midwest, and NYC. I used to go to Rochester, and Albany, all the time. Rochester was more of the mix then Albany. The rest of NY is country as fukk! Some of the whites were cool as fukk, with their backwards ass.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

Sweet/Sour sauce is pear based...Duck sauce is plum.
Mumbo sauce >>>

LOL I just got put onto that at some Chinese spot across from Howard when I was in DC two years ago. Not my favorite but DC nikkas LOVE that shyt.

 

[Unknown Poster]

Interesting thread. Pos rep pending.

I say it too cause im from Pittsburgh, but live in NYC now...but Im West Indian/Caribbean (half anyways...moms from st croix/st kitts dad is from Nigeria) and there is definitely a regional style that differentiated nyc from the rest of america that went far beyond hip hop.

Many great points raised.

 

[Budda]

Without Marcus Garvey there would be no Malcolm x Farrakhan or MLK probably.

 

[Budda]

You have to be dumb to think...

Similar proportional number of Yoruba slaves were brought to Brazil/Cuba and the US
Similar proportional number of Congolese slaves were brought to Brazil and the US

Jamaica is mostly Ghanian, Haiti is benin, not Igbo or Bamileke like the US.

Even in your link it says "The Akan population was still maintained because they were the preference of British planters in Jamaica because they were "better workers", according to these Planters. "

Who cares anyways, Igbos and Yorubas are basically the same people, and neither group claim their ancestral homes to be in Nigeria at that, all from different parts of Africa(not West) or parts of Asia which is an extension of Africa or you can say the other way round

 

[Michael9100]

Jazz > Hip-Hop

 

[Greenhornet]

the Caribbean influence was from parades and parties its as simple as that
nikkas took the party back outside on the block. hiphop had a structure back then
and other places like the west for instance ... took the style and ran with it ... and it was accepted because they did it good
and still kept it hiphop completely

same way you get different forms of electronic music ... or styles in guitar by the way you strum
you can sing any song on guitar in any style if you freak it right

Caribbean just showed us where the party was at


its kind of like when they were autotuning all of those interviews and speeches a few years back
its not what it was about, it was a style you could take and run with that created itself


like "lets take this kool and the gang, and just play the part where people dance the wildest .... loop that and make it sound bigger"
then it became a copy cat thing where you would take the same formula with different backings

it just took one person to do something off beat or not normal once ... and do it right and then you have people running with that style and making it a new formula ... I dont think it was because NYC wasnt used to a certain sound, thats ridiculous to think really.... it just wasnt the formula and in a huge crowd, where hiphop was defined you wouldnt be able to Experiment with something so new and be accepted. It had to go through the change outside of the microscope to work

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Without Marcus Garvey there would be no Malcolm x Farrakhan or MLK probably.

you know who garvey was influenced by and who layed the groundwork for him, right?

The Pan-African Conference movement was begun in Chicago in 1893 with such people in the leadership as Bishop Henry McNeal Turner. This Pan-African movement continued with conferences held in England in 1900 under the direction of Trinidadian Henry Sylvester Williams, with W. E. B. DuBois and other African Americans playing a prominent role.

In the aftermath of World War I, the Pan-African movement was revived with DuBois organizing a Congress in Paris in 1919 with other leaders from the African world, including Addie W. Hunton, who had gone to France during the war to work with African-American servicemen suffering under deplorable conditions.

The [Marcus] Garvey Movement—the Universal Negro Improvement Association (UNIA)—founded in Jamaica and relocated in New York, reached its zenith during the 1920s with millions of members and supporters, its Negro World newspaper and its establishment of chapters throughout the world, including the African continent.
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Atrocities committed by the Belgians in Congo, the British in southern Africa and East Africa as well as the French, Germans, Spanish and Italians in other regions of the continent, had a tremendous impact on Africans living in the western hemisphere. The descendants of Africans who were enslaved in the North America, the Caribbean and Latin America, began to hold meetings on how they could have an impact on alleviating the problems of European intervention in their ancestral home. These Africans saw a direct connection between the colonialism, national oppression, racism and race terror inflicted on people in the West and the conditions under which people were living in the homeland.

As a result in 1893 the first noted Pan-African Conference was held in Chicago. This meeting, which lasted for an entire week, is now recognized as a turning point in the struggle of Africans to build an international movement against colonialism and imperialism and for national independence and continental unity.

The 1893 Chicago Congress on Africa predated by seven years the first formal international Pan-African conference that was held in London in 1900 under the direction of Trinidadian-born Henry Sylvester Williams. This Congress was attended by such activists as Bishop Henry McNeal Turner of the African Methodist Episcopal Church (AME) and Bishop Alexander Walters of the African Methodist Episcopal Zion (AMEZ).

Although notables such as Edward Wilmont Blyden of Liberia and Booker T. Washington had promised papers but did not attend, a broad range of topic were discussed including “The African in America”, “Liberia as a Factor in the Progress of the Negro Race”, and a very challenging presentation entitled “What Do American Negroes Owe to Their Kin Beyond the Sea”.”

Henry McNeal Turner utilized the Chicago Congress to advance the notion of repatriation as a mechanism for building self-determination among Africans in the West and on the continent. He had warned the African-American people some months before that France had demonstrated territorial designs on the nation of Liberia.

This conference in 1893 pave the way for the Pan-African conference held in Atlanta, Georgia some two years later in 1895 that was sponsored by the Steward Missionary Foundation for Africa of Gammon Theological Seminary.

The 1895 meeting was attended by people such as John Henry Smyth, who served as a minister resident and consul general to Liberia. In his paper presented to the Atlanta gathering he stated that “European contact has brought in its train not merely the sacrifice, amid unspeakable horrors, of the lives and liberties of twenty million Negroes for the American market alone, but political disintegration, social anarchy, moral and physical debasements.”

Some two years later the African Association was formed in England on September 24, 1897. This organization was spearheaded by Henry Sylvester Williams, a lawyer from Trinidad, who would later play an instrumental role in organizing a Pan-African Conference in London in July of 1900. This gathering is often considered as the turning point in the world-wide struggle for African unity and liberation that characterized the 20th century.

During the period of the first decade of the 20th century, there were a number of efforts to form race organizations in the United States and other parts of the Diaspora. In 1905, the Niagara Movement was formed on the United States and Canadian borders.
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[IllmaticDelta]

Nice try. You can't change up now. Just take that L.
Yes Jamaicans are black people. However, YOU, Odot Meta, Poiter, and Illmatic claim we are "different black people." You even went on to say that "we came from different places in africa and different tribes."

We are all black but we are still different just like all white people are different. As far as the African input goes, we come from the same tribes but the proportions are different. It's why Aframs created the Blues and Jamaica didn't