Do you think Biden made the right call in Afghanistan? And if not, what should he have done?

[Ozymandeas]

A few hundred soldiers maintained "order" in Afganistan. They could/should still be there now because any efforts that emboldens terrorist should not be entertained

Biden/Trump was wrong, shame on all the poor attempts at downplaying Biden's wrong decision to leave, let alone the lame exit strategy



Taliban hosted a single training camp for Al qaeda, 9/11 happened
They now control the entire country...prepping to rename it/replace flag/and be recognized by influential countries...we are more vulnerable than ever before because Afghanistan will be a terrorist resort

-The Taliban's "victory" will make them more ambitious
-The Taliban and Iran's neutral relationship will lead to cooperative efforts
-Pakistan will be more dangerous/reckless with an embolden Taliban
-The Taliban has a common enemy with Isis and other groups in Lybia,Syria, and Iraq, thus overlapping interest leads to joint ventures



Folks trying to blame the intelligence community, the Pentagon press briefing claiming no evidence to Taliban rapid takeover and Biden said there wasn't a consensus about takeover timeline...is all proven to be lies when you read washington post's Afgan papers

They knew the Afgahn army had no chance at maintaining order or stopping theTaliban, but still claimed that the top-notch American training was working

Biden has no problem bragging about overturning Trump policies, but "Taliban agreement" needs to be honored? nah

Austin, Blinken and Milley is playing politics and staying on code for career reasons

Very true. That whole region (Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan) is going to be a hot bed for extremism going forward.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

would the people have been as supportive of leaving if they were told the truths about Russia/China positioning themselves and the Afgan military's inabilities? I think not. Regret is steadily spreading as more news is reported

"Reversing permanent US military occupations" will stop being a goto talking point for self-serving activist because of what happen in Afghanistan

Great game politics don't move ppl anymore. Whether they are right or not is different question. But the US is looking inwards. There are a lot of issues that need to be addressed on domestic front.

And who put those leaders in charge?

Bush

I blame that mf for everything

 

[1thouwow]

People really wanna stay in a pointless war just to save face from embarrassment

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

People really wanna stay in a pointless war just to save face from embarrassment

@DEAD7 wants to colonize them entirely and make them the 51st state

 

[mastermind]

People really wanna stay in a pointless war just to save face from embarrassment

The MIC wants the gravy train to continue.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

The MIC wants the gravy train to continue.

They'll eventually go to Nigeria or something

 

[mastermind]

They'll eventually go to Nigeria or something

That’s what they are gearing for now.

 

[Pressure]

It was time to go, but unless you pleasure yourself to Biden pictures on the daily, you can realize how botched this withdrawal was. At the very least ensure that Afghan persons who aided the US military get a safe exit out of the country if desired.

Biden wanted a withdrawal by the date he fixed to appear as a star on his foreign policy resume. It will now be seen as a stain. That's his fault.

Right decision. Terrible execution.

That said, this is the culmination of terrible decisions made by Bush, not rectified enough by Obama, and compounded by Trump. One can argue Biden was dealt a bad hand to some extent.

Nah
The system was broken by the previous administration. Biden waiting years to fix what took the previous administration did just to withdraw would have just yield calls from y'all to actually leave Afghanistan.

The failures you discuss are completely on the previous administration unless you're arguing that we should have maintained an occupying force in Afghanistan.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

That’s what they are gearing for now.

Would probably go better than Afghanistan though still a bad idea

 

[DEAD7]

@DEAD7 wants to colonize them entirely and make them the 51st state

I disagree with that characterization, but yes. The government never should have gave us or the world the idea that there would be an "exit strategy".


and after more thought, the threat of US takeover might have incentivized better behavior from concerned parties.

 

[Piff Perkins]

He made the right decision. He got served a shyt sandwich and ate it...something presidents normally refuse to do. He's taking the criticism, and you know how US media is directly tied to national security experts/talking heads. They're savaging him right now and he is so defiant and confident it's just making the media even more upset.

A poll came out today showing people don't even give a fukk. They're focused on COVID, the economy, jobs, etc. Nobody is stressing Afghanistan in regular life.

Was this a sloppy pullout? Sure but what's the talking point if we did a perfectly staged pullout while the Taliban started re-taking the country? "Biden telegraphed our retreat to our enemies." It was lose lose. I'm always going to dap presidents who tell the war lobby fukk you.

 

[mastermind]

Nah
The system was broken by the previous administration. Biden waiting years to fix what took the previous administration did just to withdraw would have just yield calls from y'all to actually leave Afghanistan.

The failures you discuss are completely on the previous administration unless you're arguing that we should have maintained an occupying force in Afghanistan.

Biden has made no effort to fix the refugee processing situation.

The best solution would have been negotiating with the Taliban, but American pride, etc.

 

[Master Teacher]

Very true. That whole region (Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan) is going to be a hot bed for extremism going forward.

Where have you been it's already been that way

Saudi Arabia is the seat of power for radical islam, and they are the US allies, yall fools will never learn

 

[Ozymandeas]

Where have you been it's already been that way

Saudi Arabia is the seat of power for radical islam, and they are the US allies, yall fools will never learn

I said Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran. I’m not talking about Saudi Arabia. Stay on topic. And Saudi Arabia is not harboring terrorist groups in mass. If you actually knew anything, you’d understand what I was saying seeing as Iran is our chief enemy in the region, Pakistan is home to the Pakistani Taliban and is not our ally and now Afghanistan has been taken over by the Taliban. Thus, there are three conjoined countries that don’t fukk with the US.

 

[Master Teacher]

I said Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran. I’m not talking about Saudi Arabia. Stay on topic. And Saudi Arabia is not harboring terrorist groups in mass. If you actually knew anything, you’d understand what I was saying seeing as Iran is our chief enemy in the region, Pakistan is home to the Pakistani Taliban and is not our ally and now Afghanistan has been taken over by the Taliban. Thus, there are three conjoined countries that don’t fukk with the US.

You moron look at the map, Saudia Arabia is right there next to all those countries where do you think the money comes from for the terrorist groups in those regions

who payed for 911, Saudia Arabia, why didn't we invade saudia arabia

the Taliban has no home, it's just a name

just like ISIS and AL Queda, or whatever bullshyt they come up with next

all you are doing is recycling propaganda and have no idea what you're talking about