Do you think Biden made the right call in Afghanistan? And if not, what should he have done?

[Voice of Reason]

He made the right call but the execution was terrible.

 

[Voice of Reason]

crazy it came to this. Who was the Afghani poster i use to have death matches with over Afghanistan back in KTL? looking back he was partially right, the population doesnt have the will or agrees with the taliban too much to go against the taliban, so it doesnt matter how much man power you put

but biden or trump should not have pulled out. the us presence was minimal by last year, with very little combat, it would cost very little to keep a minor presence there which is what Bide/trump should have done

the status quo stalemate was better then what is happening now and what will happen in the future

The only reason they were not trying to kill US forces is because of the peace agreement signed by the Taliban.


With no agreement that place would have needed more troops or it would get bad for the U.S.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

crazy it came to this. Who was the Afghani poster i use to have death matches with over Afghanistan back in KTL? looking back he was partially right, the population doesnt have the will or agrees with the taliban too much to go against the taliban, so it doesnt matter how much man power you put

but biden or trump should not have pulled out. the us presence was minimal by last year, with very little combat, it would cost very little to keep a minor presence there which is what Bide/trump should have done

the status quo stalemate was better then what is happening now and what will happen in the future

so at what point do you think the US should have stopped wasting money, time, resources and lives, and finally pull out

 

[Geek Nasty]

Bruh, you missing his point. We not gonna get anywhere if we can’t criticize our leaders. We all mostly Democrats in here. No one is MAGA. No one has secret agendas. We just saying it could’ve been better executed. We didn’t have to pull out until Sep. 11th, 2021. Why move it up to Aug. 31st? Why did we give up Bagrum Air Force Base? Why did we pull out soldiers before we got everyone out? Shouldn’t the soldiers have left last? For the people stuck in the countryside, why didn’t we set up checkpoints around the country to get them out? They have analysts working nonstop in Washington examining the information on the ground in Afghanistan. We know the Afghans are disorganized, corrupt and inept now as a public but these insiders would’ve knew beforehand working intimately with this behind closed doors, so either they lied and misrepresented the situation when they decided to pull out of the country or they don’t know what the fukk they are doing. Either way they deserve criticism.

Im all for blaming leaders but we aren't the ones who looted the treasury then ran away. We had an agreement to get out when we had 2500 in country. Reoccupying Kabul has never been an option.

The withdrawal date isn't an issue which is my point. We’re going to have OUR people out in time. Troop levels for our withdrawal weren't a problem. We had thousands in standby which is why the airport is still secure.

If they kept ALL of the troops in place, the Taliban wouldn't have done shyt. That's the whole point. And if they tried to attack, the military would've retaliated.

Trump drew down to 2500. Thats not enough to defend the airfield. Biden sent several thousand more in to help with the withdrawal but STILL not enough to defend against an all out attack. There was a general on the news today said it would take 10K to defend against an all out attack. So talk about what troops were leaving there is irrelevant.

And the Taliban still probably wont do shyt because they just want us to leave they dont want to bait us into staying.

 

[theworldismine13]

so at what point do you think the US should have stopped wasting money, time, resources and lives, and finally pull out

The only reason they were not trying to kill US forces is because of the peace agreement signed by the Taliban.


With no agreement that place would have needed more troops or it would get bad for the U.S.

nah even before the agreement it had slowed down a lot for the us military, the situation was a stalemate

but to the point, i dont think trump should have signed it either, that was a mistake that started it all

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[mastermind]

Bruh, you missing his point. We not gonna get anywhere if we can’t criticize our leaders. We all mostly Democrats in here. No one is MAGA. No one has secret agendas. We just saying it could’ve been better executed. We didn’t have to pull out until Sep. 11th, 2021. Why move it up to Aug. 31st? Why did we give up Bagrum Air Force Base? Why did we pull out soldiers before we got everyone out? Shouldn’t the soldiers have left last? For the people stuck in the countryside, why didn’t we set up checkpoints around the country to get them out? They have analysts working nonstop in Washington examining the information on the ground in Afghanistan. We know the Afghans are disorganized, corrupt and inept now as a public but these insiders would’ve knew beforehand working intimately with this behind closed doors, so either they lied and misrepresented the situation when they decided to pull out of the country or they don’t know what the fukk they are doing. Either way they deserve criticism.

The answer is the American government don’t want many Afghanis in this country.

 

[mastermind]

At the end of the day, the Taliban are a terrorist group. But the western world has basically legitimized them.

Because they aren’t a terrorist group

They are a clown show outfit with backwards beliefs, but the Saudis are more of a terrorist outfit than the Taliban, and the US terrorized Afghanis for 20 years.

 

[Atlrocafella]

Niccas got 7 days to get to the airport and get the hell out.

 

[Ozymandeas]

The answer is the American government don’t want many Afghanis in this country.

I buy that. Which is fukked up after you ask them to put themselves in harm's way by helping you. After this and the Kurds, people gonna think twice before helping us.

 

[mastermind]

I buy that. Which is fukked up after you ask them to put themselves in harm's way by helping you. After this and the Kurds, people gonna think twice before helping us.

They, and American voters, don’t care considering we’ve destroyed that nation for like two centuries.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

I buy that. Which is fukked up after you ask them to put themselves in harm's way by helping you. After this and the Kurds, people gonna think twice before helping us.

It's just as big of a deal to NATO allies if they weren't consulted than to Kurds/Afghans etc who really sadly dont have all that much of a say in whether they "help" us or not. The situation is fuzzy to me. Theres a disconnect in the wild misrepresentation of the strength of the pre-existing Afghan government and also the apparent shock the Brits had etc. Things just arent adding up here.

 

[TNC]

You're not hearing me.

Let the civilians leave first, then the troops.

The former Trump administration denied visas to afghans trying to bounce. Biden didn't do shyt to address that. It was a cluster fukk.

At the end of the day, the Taliban are a terrorist group. But the western world has basically legitimized them.


But some how, Hamas is considered a terrorist organization, and they are a democratically elected party. You see the hypocrisy?

I think I do hear you but:

1. Where the civilians gonna go? Trump WAS NOT bringing them here, all the people I know complaining about Biden's handling of the situation ALSO don't want 120K Afghans coming to America and breezing through the citizenship process.

2. You talking about occupying for at least another year or longer to facilitate that. Which is the noble thing to do, but its costing us time, money, resources and American lives to do so. Is that a worthwhile trade? YMMV, but it wasn't the initial goal in the first place. We wanted them to take back their country but they lacked the will and heart to do so.

3. This shyt goes all the way back to Ronald Reagan when he armed the Mujahideen and the fallout from it. I agree the Taliban is a terrorist organization but only dictators and organizations like that have shows to have the strength to take control of that area. I really don't know what the best solution is but it was bleeding the US dry. What do you think would have been a better option?

 

[BaltimoreTwilightMarauder]

They should've planned the withdraw better, it was a mess early on.

I 100% believe in leaving though.