Do you think Biden made the right call in Afghanistan? And if not, what should he have done?

[Professor Emeritus]

A. We’re in a pandemic now. It’s just different now.

B.I’m friends with a bunch of Afghans interpreters who have already been relocated over the past few years. That’s not the problem. We’ve already been moving them out.

Breh, that's my point. If we've already been moving them out, then why not finish moving out the guys we already started with before we move to the next step? You can't claim "but that's gonna start a run!" when we were already doing it.

The fact that we're in a pandemic and thus stuff is taking longer is yet another reason that we should have gotten shyt in order first rather than going off half-cocked.

 

[Json]

Breh, that's my point. If we've already been moving them out, then why not finish moving out the guys we already started with before we move to the next step? You can't claim "but that's gonna start a run!" when we were already doing it.

The fact that we're in a pandemic and thus stuff is taking longer is yet another reason that we should have gotten shyt in order first rather than going off half-cocked.

This pandemic isn’t a run of the mill cold and this isn’t a first world country with state of the art medical facilities.

These people don’t have basic papers. Their kids don’t have the regular vaccines let alone the Covid one.

You aren’t moving one person, you are moving entire families. Families that need to be looked after for an extended period of time even after they land.

Housing shortage..where are you going to put them?

But nah. Let’s rush.

You need to fully functioning, stable governments even in the best of circumstances.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

This pandemic isn’t a run of the mill cold and this isn’t a first world country with state of the art medical facilities.

These people don’t have basic papers. Their kids don’t have the regular vaccines let alone the Covid one.

You aren’t moving one person, you are moving entire families. Families that need to be looked after for an extended period of time even after they land.

But nah. Let’s rush.

You need to fully functioning, stable governments even in the best of circumstances.

I'm not saying to rush. What we're doing NOW is rushing. I'm saying we should have taken more time so we didn't need to rush.

You literally arguing my point for me breh.

 

[Json]

These 16 Republicans voted against speeding up visas for Afghans fleeing the Taliban

I'm not saying to rush. What we're doing NOW is rushing. I'm saying we should have taken more time so we didn't need to rush.

You literally arguing my point for me breh.

So you just bringing up the Republicans blocking speeding up Visas for fun?

Nah. You are advocating for the legislation to cut corners when again, if you have a stable government in Kabul and America why would you need to?

Unless you think the Taliban would harm or kill the people and organizations who helped us.


Let’s all remember, I’m we were supposed to leave an embassy there. There was supposed to be US personnel there to continue normal visa operations under a Kabul-Afghan government.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

So you just bringing up the Republicans blocking speeding up Visas for fun?

Nah. You are advocating for the legislation to cut corners when again, if you have a stable government in Kabul and America why would you need to?

Unless you think the Taliban would harm or kill the people and organizations who helped us.

This is getting really tiring breh. I'm not sure how many more ways I can explain this to you. You clearly have an idea of what this conversation is in your head that doesn't match what I'm actually trying to tell you.

We needed to speed up visas because we're pulling out too soon in relation to how large our visa backlog is. I'm not advocating for cutting corners, I'm advocating for doing a better job of handling our fukking business that we need to take time to do right. Don't you realize that WAY more corners are getting cut right now cause we're doing this shyt in an emergency rush rather than having waited to take care of as many as we could before it became an emergency?

Let’s all remember, I’m we were supposed to leave an embassy there. There was supposed to be US personnel there to continue normal visa operations under a Kabul-Afghan government.

And we were supposed to win the Iraq War with 130,000 troops who would be back home in a few months. With shytty planning and shytty intelligence, war doesn't always go the way you want it to. Some of that is the administration's fault and some of it isn't, but at the very least you should already have all other essential business taken care of first so that in a contingency, you have as much room for the emergency business as possible.

 

[Conan]

It was time to go, but unless you pleasure yourself to Biden pictures on the daily, you can realize how botched this withdrawal was. At the very least ensure that Afghan persons who aided the US military get a safe exit out of the country if desired.

Biden wanted a withdrawal by the date he fixed to appear as a star on his foreign policy resume. It will now be seen as a stain. That's his fault.

Right decision. Terrible execution.

That said, this is the culmination of terrible decisions made by Bush, not rectified enough by Obama, and compounded by Trump. One can argue Biden was dealt a bad hand to some extent.

 

[Json]

This is getting really tiring breh. I'm not sure how many more ways I can explain this to you. You clearly have an idea of what this conversation is in your head that doesn't match what I'm actually trying to tell you.

We needed to speed up visas because we're pulling out too soon in relation to how large our visa backlog is. I'm not advocating for cutting corners, I'm advocating for doing a better job of handling our fukking business that we need to take time to do right. Don't you realize that WAY more corners are getting cut right now cause we're doing this shyt in an emergency rush rather than having waited to take care of as many as we could before it became an emergency?
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You are 100% advocating for cutting corners. Unless you are doing the same process for Mexican/ Central Am refugees, Syrian refugees(remember they living in Jordanian camps or being killed by Assad years later), legal immigrants, etc, you are textbook definition cutting corners on the process for Afghans specifically. This isn’t about finding some SpaceX program for a faster immigration policy(SpaceX took ten years and a bunch of failures)

If a recipe takes two hours following directions, cutting steps to get it ready in 45 minutes is rushing.

You aren’t making the process all around work smoother.

The legislation was in June.

Just admit you are wrong and contradicting yourself.

Rhakim: I’m not talking about rushing the process

also

Rkahkim: They should have sped up already on the visas

And we were supposed to win the Iraq War with 130,000 troops who would be back home in a few months. With shytty planning and shytty intelligence, war doesn't always go the way you want it to. Some of that is the administration's fault and some of it isn't, but at the very least you should already have all other essential business taken care of first so that in a contingency, you have as much room for the emergency business as possible.

Having an embassy has nothing to do with planning. We didn’t have an embassy in Cuba cause we didn’t have normalized relations. We have an embassy in the UK, Saudi Arabia, Russia etc cause we have normal relationships despite how antagonist the relationship can be.

Again, acting like you aren’t going to be there would have caused the “run on the bank” scenario.

 

[Json]

It was time to go, but unless you pleasure yourself to Biden pictures on the daily, you can realize how botched this withdrawal was. At the very least ensure that Afghan persons who aided the US military get a safe exit out of the country if desired.

Biden wanted a withdrawal by the date he fixed to appear as a star on his foreign policy resume. It will now be seen as a stain. That's his fault.

Right decision. Terrible execution.

That said, this is the culmination of terrible decisions made by Bush, not rectified enough by Obama, and compounded by Trump. One can argue Biden was dealt a bad hand to some extent.

No one reasonable could watch tv and say there aren’t failures.

The point people defending Biden are making is that government isn’t meant to be quickly pivot:

We’ve already seen four years of Trump creating a humanitarian crisis on the Mexican border and immigration courts by messing with the decades long established process(not saying the immigration policy isn’t outdated)


Oh hey, governments let’s wholesale create a small business loan process in a pandemic within six to eight weeks…program is taken advantage of on a massive scale.

This is what internationalism does better. More countries ( state departments) working together to coordinate and more faster.


I want America to be the ideal we think we are but the reaction right now is partly frustration mixed with panic. People rush to adopt pets when there’s a need then the reality sets in and the send them back.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

They are definitely moving too slow to get these people out of the country.

The White House is talking about how they've gotten 9,000 people out this week. They were saying they could do that each day.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

CNN reporting no flights from Kabul in the last eight hours, and it's 7:30 PM in Kabul.

This is definitely where the administration is fukking up. They are not going to get anywhere close to their evacuation goal with only eleven more days left at this rate.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Just admit you are wrong and contradicting yourself.

Rhakim: I’m not talking about rushing the process

also

Rkahkim: They should have sped up already on the visas

Breh I've given you 5 chances now, can't even say this is a reading comprehension issue at this point you're just willfully obtuse.

 

[Json]

Breh I've given you 5 chances now, can't even say this is a reading comprehension issue at this point you're just willfully obtuse.

Usually you are the one with six sources and 5 footnotes for your arguments. Even if I don’t agree I’m still impressed.

It’s good to see you can be just like a normal Coli poster making irrational arguments then pretending like the other poster is wrong somehow when it’s blatantly pointed out you contradicted yourself .

 

[AquaCityBoy]

Biden claiming 5,700 evacuees out yesterday. That's within the 5,000 to 9,000 range they've been claiming they could do, but they still need to pick up the pace if they want to come close to their goal by August 31.

 

[mastermind]

 

[Json]

Biden claiming 5,700 evacuees out yesterday. That's within the 5,000 to 9,000 range they've been claiming they could do, but they still need to pick up the pace if they want to come close to their goal by August 31.

If we have to stay a bit longer I hope Biden will. Use those diplomatic branches with China not wanting to hurt their Silk Road project with more fighting to keep the Taliban under wraps.