Do you think Biden made the right call in Afghanistan? And if not, what should he have done?

[Althalucian]

Killing a crap ton of Afghan babies, children, men and women in the middle east like gangbusters: I sleep.

Spending $2 to $6.5 trillion dollars on an unproductive war effort: I sleep.

Leaving Afghanistan after expecting country to prop itself up for at least a few months: REAL shyt.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

A few hundred soldiers maintained "order" in Afganistan. They could/should still be there now because any efforts that emboldens terrorist should not be entertained

Biden/Trump was wrong, shame on all the poor attempts at downplaying Biden's wrong decision to leave, let alone the lame exit strategy

The taliban isn't Al qaeda. You realize both Biden and Trump administrations sat down and talked to them like leaders of an actual country? The taliban just want to be left alone. They aren't carrying out international terror attacks to start a global caliphate. You pay them money they don't fukk with you. If you fight them, they fight back. But despite the propaganda they are rational actors when it comes to their dealings with the United States.

So, they are more than likely telling the truth that they won't fukk with the US during their withdrawal. Plus they know if they do, the US will be dropping bombs again.

Taliban hosted a single training camp for Al qaeda, 9/11 happened
They now control the entire country...prepping to rename it/replace flag/and be recognized by influential countries...we are more vulnerable than ever before because Afghanistan will be a terrorist resort

-The Taliban's "victory" will make them more ambitious
-The Taliban and Iran's neutral relationship will lead to cooperative efforts
-Pakistan will be more dangerous/reckless with an embolden Taliban
-The Taliban has a common enemy with Isis and other groups in Lybia,Syria, and Iraq, thus overlapping interest leads to joint ventures

Right call, bad execution. It’s not wrong to point that out. You got people talking about some translators are stuck in the countryside and can’t get to Kabul to get out so they might be left to their fate. If you knew that, why rush the departure? Why weren’t you focused on getting them out before? I get Trump left you with a quickened timeline and if you extended it, you risk the Taliban wanting to fight and some American soldiers getting killed but you had from February ‘21 to September ‘21 to move these people out. I get Biden was overwhelmed but what the fukk was Austin, Blinken and Milley doing?

Folks trying to blame the intelligence community, the Pentagon press briefing claiming no evidence to Taliban rapid takeover and Biden said there wasn't a consensus about takeover timeline...is all proven to be lies when you read washington post's Afgan papers

They knew the Afgahn army had no chance at maintaining order or stopping theTaliban, but still claimed that the top-notch American training was working

Biden has no problem bragging about overturning Trump policies, but "Taliban agreement" needs to be honored? nah

Austin, Blinken and Milley is playing politics and staying on code for career reasons

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Biden has been on "Team fukk the Afghani Government" for YEARS. He undoubtedly thought this was going to be very politically popular so maybe they didn't go through everything with a fine tooth comb.

Fundamentally the afghan experiment was doomed to fail bc every government that ever took power from Karzai to current office holders, basically used the country as their own piggy bank.

 

[Json]

A few hundred soldiers maintained "order" in Afganistan. They could/should still be there now because any efforts that emboldens terrorist should not be entertained

Biden/Trump was wrong, shame on all the poor attempts at downplaying Biden's wrong decision to leave, let alone the lame exit strategy



Taliban hosted a single training camp for Al qaeda, 9/11 happened
They now control the entire country...prepping to rename it/replace flag/and be recognized by influential countries...we are more vulnerable than ever before because Afghanistan will be a terrorist resort

-The Taliban's "victory" will make them more ambitious
-The Taliban and Iran's neutral relationship will lead to cooperative efforts
-Pakistan will be more dangerous/reckless with an embolden Taliban
-The Taliban has a common enemy with Isis and other groups in Lybia,Syria, and Iraq, thus overlapping interest leads to joint ventures



Folks trying to blame the intelligence community, the Pentagon press briefing claiming no evidence to Taliban rapid takeover and Biden said there wasn't a consensus about takeover timeline...is all proven to be lies when you read washington post's Afgan papers

They knew the Afgahn army had no chance at maintaining order or stopping theTaliban, but still claimed that the top-notch American training was working

Biden has no problem bragging about overturning Trump policies, but "Taliban agreement" needs to be honored? nah

Austin, Blinken and Milley is playing politics and staying on code for career reasons

An international treaty is law and nowhere near the same as over turning Trump’s Trade policy or re entering the Climate accords.



If we broke it it would give any state like Russia the ability to invade their former states with abandon.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

An international treaty is law and nowhere near the same as over turning Trump’s Trade policy or re entering the Climate accords.
If we broke it it would give any state like Russia the ability to invade their former states with abandon.

Hong Kong, Iran deal, Russian pipeline, Paris accord, and NAFTA were either violated/half azz on/forcibly replaced or ignored...which proves that consequences dictate the effectiveness of treaties not the words

 

[Json]

Hong Kong, Iran deal, Russian pipeline, Paris accord, and NAFTA were either violated/half azz on/forcibly replaced or ignored...which proves that consequences dictate the effectiveness of treaties not the words

Trump backed out of the Iran deal by sanctioned people who worked with Iran. He just killed the incentive to stay in.

The Paris Accord had a an out clause that he used to leave. He didn’t violate it.

NAFTA got renewed and he killed the TPP before it was finalized.

I’m not sure what the Hong Kong agreement you are referring to. Brits and China had an agreement.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Hong Kong, Iran deal, Russian pipeline, Paris accord, and NAFTA were either violated/half azz on/forcibly replaced or ignored...which proves that consequences dictate the effectiveness of treaties not the words

Breh, Biden wanted out of Afghanistan way before trump came down the escalator. Deep down inside he's probably happy trump made that deal.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Trump backed out of the Iran deal by sanctioned people who worked with Iran. He just killed the incentive to stay in.
The Paris Accord had a an out clause that he used to leave. He didn’t violate it.
NAFTA got renewed and he killed the TPP before it was finalized.
I’m not sure what the Hong Kong agreement you are referring to. Brits and China had an agreement.

China didn't live up to Hong Kong agreement and they constantly violated the paris accord
NAFTA was doomed because Trump force the issue, not because of previous administrations' agreement

The point again is, consequences dictates effectiveness of agreement
Russia would do what it likes if the consequences aren't damaging enough, it has nothing to do with whether US upholds Taliban agreements

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Breh, Biden wanted out of Afghanistan way before trump came down the escalator. Deep down inside he's probably happy trump made that deal.

You right. I believe both are wrong because now look how the game board shifted in favor of terrorist and communist countries

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

You right. I believe both are wrong because now look how the game board shifted in favor of terrorist and communist countries

At the same time running foreign policy decisions based primarily on saving face is never a good idea, especially when the policy is not supported by the people.

 

[Json]

China didn't live up to Hong Kong agreement and they constantly violated the paris accord
NAFTA was doomed because Trump force the issue, not because of previous administrations' agreement

The point again is, consequences dictates effectiveness of agreement
Russia would do what it likes if the consequences aren't damaging enough, it has nothing to do with whether US upholds Taliban agreements

NAFTA was renewed. It’s still around? What’s doomed about it. The TTP is a totally different thing.

The Paris Accords are just goals. There are no punishments or enforcements methods. I don’t think anyone is in 100% compliance.

China is stepping on Hong Kong 100%.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

At the same time running foreign policy decisions based primarily on saving face is never a good idea, especially when the policy is not supported by the people.

would the people have been as supportive of leaving if they were told the truths about Russia/China positioning themselves and the Afgan military's inabilities? I think not. Regret is steadily spreading as more news is reported

"Reversing permanent US military occupations" will stop being a goto talking point for self-serving activist because of what happen in Afghanistan

NAFTA was renewed. It’s still around? What’s doomed about it. The TTP is a totally different thing.

The Paris Accords are just goals. There are no punishments or enforcements methods. I don’t think anyone is in 100% compliance.

China is stepping on Hong Kong 100%.

...and because there are no consequences, paris accord allows for politicians to fund raise and for certain people to feel good, not to address climate change

After U.S. President Donald Trump took office in January 2017, he sought to replace NAFTA with a new agreement, beginning negotiations with Canada and Mexico. In September 2018, the United States, Mexico, and Canada reached an agreement to replace NAFTA with the United States–Mexico–Canada Agreement (USMCA), and all three countries had ratified it by March 2020. NAFTA remained in force until USMCA was implemented.[13] In April 2020, Canada and Mexico notified the U.S. that they were ready to implement the agreement.[14] The USMCA took effect on July 1, 2020, replacing NAFTA. The new law involved only small changes.[15]

North American Free Trade Agreement - Wikipedia

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Covid is not excuse for the administration on this process. The DoD/Pentagon/Military are doing nothing or next to nothing related to covid. Saying the administration has been tied up with covid is lazy

 

[mastermind]

Fundamentally the afghan experiment was doomed to fail bc every government that ever took power from Karzai to current office holders, basically used the country as their own piggy bank.

And who put those leaders in charge?

 

[bill]

A few hundred soldiers maintained "order" in Afganistan. They could/should still be there now because any efforts that emboldens terrorist should not be entertained

Biden/Trump was wrong, shame on all the poor attempts at downplaying Biden's wrong decision to leave, let alone the lame exit strategy



Taliban hosted a single training camp for Al qaeda, 9/11 happened
They now control the entire country...prepping to rename it/replace flag/and be recognized by influential countries...we are more vulnerable than ever before because Afghanistan will be a terrorist resort

-The Taliban's "victory" will make them more ambitious
-The Taliban and Iran's neutral relationship will lead to cooperative efforts
-Pakistan will be more dangerous/reckless with an embolden Taliban
-The Taliban has a common enemy with Isis and other groups in Lybia,Syria, and Iraq, thus overlapping interest leads to joint ventures



Folks trying to blame the intelligence community, the Pentagon press briefing claiming no evidence to Taliban rapid takeover and Biden said there wasn't a consensus about takeover timeline...is all proven to be lies when you read washington post's Afgan papers

They knew the Afgahn army had no chance at maintaining order or stopping theTaliban, but still claimed that the top-notch American training was working

Biden has no problem bragging about overturning Trump policies, but "Taliban agreement" needs to be honored? nah

Austin, Blinken and Milley is playing politics and staying on code for career reasons

Said all that stupid shyt talking about a haven for terrorism. Propaganda bullshyt. 9/11 was a commercial airline security issue and we have solved that a long time ago. 20 Arabs made us spend trillions on the other side of the world. Straight craziness