Do you believe in God? (2022 edition)

[MMS]

YOU WANA KNOW WHATS MORE ARROGANT?

THINKING THAT YOU’RE THE GREATEST THING IN THIS UNIVERSE

NOTHING IS BIGGER THAN U

THATS LITERALLY THE DEFINITION OF ARROGANCE

God loves the humble and the charitable and those who love with a clean spirit. We are dealt with by him by our own works. Its better to forgive him and remember what Isaiah prophecied:

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 44:21-22 - King James Version

Remember these, O Jacob and Israel; for thou art my servant: I have formed thee; thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me. I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Satsui no Hadou]

@Th3Birdman you should look into spinoza’s ethics. He asked the same questions you do, and came to a more reasonable and scientific approach that had him excommunicated by his Jewish peers.

 

[MMS]

My brother, I think you quoted the wrong person because I ain't said none of this.

But you are forgetting he lives in you. So when you use him for wickedness he remembers it and his echo will return to you.

This is why there is a law and why there is a testimony. It persists because he wills it, as I said before reconsider God, not as someone you should fear but as one you should respect as he is the only one who will save you from what is outside of him which is nothing.

Balak - Wikipedia

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Balak (Hebrew: בָּלָק Bālāq)[1] was a king of Moab described in the Book of Numbers in the Hebrew Bible, where his dealings with the prophet Balaam are recounted. Balak tried to engage Balaam for the purpose of cursing the migrating Israelite community.[2] On his journey to meet the princes of Moab, Balaam is stopped by an angel of the lord after beating his donkey. He tells the angel he will return home: "I have sinned, for I did not know that you stood against me on the road". The angel instructs Balaam to attend the meeting with the princes of Moab but to "say only what I tell you".[3] According to Numbers 22:2, and Joshua 24:9, Balak was the son of Zippor.

We are living in a world of illusion

Yet a thing can be nothing and something through description alone :jbhmm: and a name is almost certainly a thing Matthew 15:21-28 We are living in a world of illusion Mercy [/SPOILER] 1 whole is (0, Infinite) parts, and each part contains the 1 whole The 1 whole is in each (0, Infinite)...

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[RoCKetSity256]

You and I are both atheist. There are thousands of gods you don't believe in.

You simply believe in 1 more than I do.

You believe the world just happened I believe it was created. Neither 1 of us knows who’s right. That’s why it’s a belief. I don’t knock you for the way u think

 

[Th3Birdman]

You believe the world just happened I believe it was created. Neither 1 of us knows who’s right. That’s why it’s a belief. I don’t knock you for the way u think

No, I know the world simply IS, and you believe in a doctrine for which there is no evidence.

That's not a knock, it's stating a fact.

 

[Tflasha]

This nikka showed up to me after I woke up from a two week coma

 

[MMS]

You believe the world just happened I believe it was created. Neither 1 of us knows who’s right. That’s why it’s a belief. I don’t knock you for the way u think

Genesis 1 implies the earth has always existed (limitless dark water) or was declared in a contextual statement: "In the beginning, God created the Heaven and the Earth".

So the waters of the virgin were passed over by the spirit of God, and it spoke to the waters: "Let there be light! and there was light"

And it was so

Then God separated the light from the darkness of the water and called that part of the water Day and the other part of the water that did not have light Night.

Then on the second day, he made an expanse within the waters of morning and evening (inside the previous pattern) and he called it heaven and it separated the waters above the firmament and below it.

From that context the third day makes more sense (he made the dust of the ground using the firmament to bring about the dry land and seas)

And so on. So reality could be taken to be something emergent and actively created at the same time.

We are living in a world of illusion

A lot of good stuff in sufi mysticism too: The Sufi imagination – Mark Vernon “So praise to the One Who remains unknowable, so He is not known – and Who is known, so that He is not unknown!” Ibn ‘Arabi exclaims in a typically paradoxical theophany. :patrice::bryan: this is what im currently...

www.thecoli.com

When you speak the words dont just recite them, resuscitate them and the nature of Gods words will resemble a current

 

[RoCKetSity256]

No, I know the world simply IS, and you believe in a doctrine for which there is no evidence.

That's not a knock, it's stating a fact.

You’re wrong you can’t prove the world “just is”

 

[Satsui no Hadou]

You’re wrong you can’t prove the world “just is”

If you can assert there is a cosmic being a priori, why would it be unreasonable to say the world “just is” when that is immediately perceived through our senses and experience?

 

[Turk]

I think God exists but I don’t think he’s actively involved with his creation. I basically have a kind of Deist view about God

 

[RoCKetSity256]

If you can assert there is a cosmic being a priori, why would it be unreasonable to say the world “just is” when that is immediately perceived through our senses and experience?

You can say whatever you’d like. If you know then you can prove with facts. I’m not disputing what he can say. I’m disputing what he says he KNOWS because it can’t be proven

 

[Th3Birdman]

You’re wrong you can’t prove the world “just is”

That literally doesn't make sense, considering the world IS.

You are the one making an assertion-- I don't have to prove the world is, you have to prove it was created.

 

[Reflected]

@Th3Birdman I respect your debate bro energy. I don't argue religion anymore but I think you would be interested in some debate channels I know on Discord. Also, have you heard of or debated Darth Dawkins?





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@MMS I still have your thread on my reading list, I expect to get around to it towards the end of the year.

 

[Th3Birdman]

You can say whatever you’d like. If you know then you can prove with facts. I’m not disputing what he can say. I’m disputing what he says he KNOWS because it can’t be proven

That doesn't even make sense. The world exists, that is what I'm saying. That is a neutral statement. You are saying it was created, a positive statement.

YOU are the one burdened with proof, as you claim something happened. I'm simply saying the world IS.

@Th3Birdman I respect your debate bro energy. I don't argue religion anymore but I think you would be interested in some debate channels I know on Discord. Also, have you heard of or debated Darth Dawkins?





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@MMS I still have your thread on my reading list, I expect to get around to it towards the end of the year.

Yes I've heard of him.

"Don't overtalk me" head ass lol

 

[Reflected]

Yes I've heard of him.

"Don't overtalk me" head ass lol

I would love to see you debate him, both Darth and Batman. Darth has me blocked, he was once given his own space in our vegan debate discord and he just started blocking people that were actually able to challenge his presup nonsense, he ended up getting ran off the server when he decided to step out of religion for a bit debate COVID-19 reporting.


His time on the vegan server, he couldn't handle the idea of agnosticism. :

https://www.youtube.com/c/AYDiscordArchive/search?query=darth

Topic that got him ran off: