Do we have a qb development problem

[DropTopDoc]

I got a theory.

The generation of late Gen-X and early Millenial QBs came up when the passing game rules weren't as offense-friendly. Defenses could be more aggressive with pass catchers and QBs had to be "sharper" both in college and the NFL.

The rules then changed to favor offense and those guys went from playing the game on "very hard" mode to "easy" relatively speaking. We all saw the explosion of yards/TDs etc.

Now the younger 90s/00s babies grew up with the new rules BUT....so have the younger defensive players and the current crop of coaches.

In the old days, you had QBs running everything from pro-style offense to the wishbone in college. Now they basically all run some version of the spread.....easy reads, lots of spacing...designed to showcase superior athletes but not really helpful for being an elite NFL QB.

NFL QBs need to be able to process quickly, have consistent ball placement and hit short/intermediate throws on time. Good footwork and pocket awareness are always important. NFL looks at your height/weight, 40 time and the rocket arm and thinks "this guy can do it!" A physical freak that's a 3rd round talent gets drafted in the Top 15.

That’s what it’s always been in the nfl they look at your potential, some times your stats and some times both, a good chunk of qbs don’t even come from football factories, and usually was passed over by big school U for whatever reasons

Most qbs can’t read progressively, todays game is a lot faster, and a lot more complicated, they are asking the eye in the sky to help with game plans but the defense is doing the same, mf’s are running cover 4 on one side of the field with man on the opposite all while having 2-3 seconds because you bout to get a face mask full of pissed off edge rusher

 

[DropTopDoc]

Kurtis Warner seems to be one of those back in my day guys who seems to be forgetting he exists because of sheer luck, and got handed the keys to a high performance sports car

Kurt’s pretty fair in his analysis, i think in this situation he’s glossing over a broad take

His tweet coincides with a lot of other things I've seen and read about Caleb Williams.
Caleb's college career was almost entirely dominated by throwing screens and other short passes. He's also not been too great at avoiding sacks and has typically had a lot of time to throw.

Caleb may very well be a good pro QB. Having WRs like Keenan Allen and DJ Moore is fantastic for any rookie QB.
My expectations for him are pretty low, however.

I can’t let you say he only throws screens or short throws, usc had a line problem, but that nikka can Chuck it, the issue was LR was too hands off so you had him adlibing too damn much, and because it’s college he Very rarely had to pay the bill on his shyt, in the nfl he will see, until you get a damn good feel for the game all that shyt he does gon get him picked off, and his chest caved in, the other part is you gotta hope this nikka from Seattle is worth a damn and he develops CW, while also hoping he listens to him

 

[Copy Ninja]

Practice is now heavily regulated per CBA agreement (2020). Less offseason activities, players don't go full speed in pads as much as they used to in training camp, practice duration is now limited, etc.

If you can't practice in full pads, going full speed, then all the precise timing you need to execute pass plays aren't going to be as consistent.

 

[DropTopDoc]

Practice is now heavily regulated per CBA agreement (2020). Less offseason activities, players don't go full speed in pads as much as they used to in training camp, practice duration is now limited, etc.

If you can't practice in full pads, going full speed, then all the precise timing you need to execute pass plays aren't going to be as consistent.

I wouldn’t say it was all that, these guys have more than enough time to get on track and ready for the game, you are also talking about guys that have been playing at a high level for many years, i do sometimes think gms don’t take into account the people stuff, (chemistry) but nah it’s enough practice and padded practice

 

[DropTopDoc]

Case in point

 

[DaPresident]

No development in college, you draft em high but don’t teach or develop them in the pros…have em throw 1000 times a game hoping for some spark, then you trying to hurry it all up before the rookie deal runs out and you have to pay him 25-30% of your teams salary cap



Then even funnier, you trashing and devaluing the RB position who’s supposed to help take the pressure off your “stud” qb

OLinemen aren’t getting the development and training either…they cut practice and training time in the NFL, and DLinemen only getting bigger, faster, and more freaky athletic…bad combinations

 

[Street Knowledge]

Case in point

3 years ain’t enough?

 

[DropTopDoc]

3 years ain’t enough?

Manning had struggle years dotted in his rise too, but they were committed, most of the time you got qbs coming on the tail end of one regime and the start of a new, and nikka then had 2-3 different ocs/offensive schemes by then

 

[DropTopDoc]

No development in college, you draft em high but don’t teach or develop them in the pros…have em throw 1000 times a game hoping for some spark, then you trying to hurry it all up before the rookie deal runs out and you have to pay him 25-30% of your teams salary cap



Then even funnier, you trashing and devaluing the RB position who’s supposed to help take the pressure off your “stud” qb

OLinemen aren’t getting the development and training either…they cut practice and training time in the NFL, and DLinemen only getting bigger, faster, and more freaky athletic…bad combinations

Yes and no, the most part of your argument i agree with,
I also agree linemen are usually just bigger than their comp, i see a lot of guys doing a lot of reaching off their base, shallow knee bend, bad use of hands, so when they get to the league and AD or max or JJ is in front them they finally going against an apex predator and it gets bad quick

I don’t think more practice time is needed these guys do football damn near year round, them extra hours aren’t preparing them any more than the individual and group (off the books) training they do

Sometimes you are just a guy or a stop gap and they know that

 

[Street Knowledge]

Manning had struggle years dotted in his rise too, but they were committed, most of the time you got qbs coming on the tail end of one regime and the start of a new, and nikka then had 2-3 different ocs/offensive schemes by then

Peyton Manning was an all pro year 2

If you are a great QB your OCs will get plucked for different teams and you’re gonna have to learn New play callers

How much time should a QB get, 5 years?

 

[Controversy]

Peyton Manning was an all pro year 2

If you are a great QB your OCs will get plucked for different teams and you’re gonna have to learn New play callers

How much time should a QB get, 5 years?

He also threw 23 ints in Y4 and 19 ints in Y5

Teams today would've thrown him in the bushes

 

[DropTopDoc]

Peyton Manning was an all pro year 2

If you are a great QB your OCs will get plucked for different teams and you’re gonna have to learn New play callers

How much time should a QB get, 5 years?

I’m not sure, every qb is different, the initial conversation is, are they an actual decent prospect, what do they need to get better in, and is it possible to get better then will you design your plays around them, also how much does their limitations limit you ( think tua and Miami currently)

Some guys are a project some guys they force into something they aren’t

He also threw 23 ints in Y4 and 19 ints in Y5

Teams today would've thrown him in the bushes

Thank you, that’s what i meant, his trajectory was up and down, and don’t forget they was saying he was washed cuz the playoff losses, til polean (sp) called for less hands on their wrs

 

[Peruvian Connect]

The problem with everything these days is no patience. Everything needs to happen right away. Nobody has time to build or go through growing pains.

 

[mastermind]

The problem with everything these days is no patience. Everything needs to happen right away. Nobody has time to build or go through growing pains.

thats down to the rookie contracts. Back when draft picks were setting the market, teams had no choice but to be patient.

 

[Street Knowledge]

He also threw 23 ints in Y4 and 19 ints in Y5

Teams today would've thrown him in the bushes

No they wouldn’t have. Josh Allen leads the nfl in turnovers since he got into the league, has he been “thrown to the bushes”?